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Oh, that's nothing new. In 2017 one of my colleagues got his account banned afterehe moved to a different country, he tried to talk with Apple over phone and as

Oh, that's nothing new. In 2017 one of my colleagues got his account banned afterehe moved to a different country, he tried to talk with Apple over phone and ask why, they told him "you know why". He didn't know though. edit: Just to clarify, I'm sure that it was a false-positive and Apple mishandled the situation in the worst manner possible. Don't trust Apple your money and data.

ARandomerDude 5y ago
What country? Are we taking Iran or Canada?
- pshirshov 5y ago
  From Poland to Ireland.
  - csomar 5y ago
    Ireland... that's quite similar to "Iranland". That must be the problem.
    - pshirshov 5y ago
      Not funny when you lose your music and software worth several hundred euros.
      - aaaaaaaaaaab 5y ago
        >when you lose your It was never yours. Buy music from Bandcamp and save it on your hard drive. That is yours.
        gruez 5y ago
        >Buy music from Bandcamp and save it on your hard drive. That is yours but itunes music is DRM-free as well?
        dwighttk 5y ago
        You would only lose access to music not saved in an accessible location (and purchased after DRM was removed unless you took the steps to get drm free tracks[1]) and also software bought on the App Store. [1]funny story: I have one (or more) tracks in my music library that a friend shared with me almost 20 years ago when we were in college and he added me as one of the 5 computers that could play the tracks. Every time I’ve moved my library to a new computer it asks me to log into that account to approve that track, but it won’t give me a list of the tracks so I can delete it/them. It isn’t enough of an annoyance that I’ve tried too hard to find them.
        daneel_w 5y ago
        You can download a DRM-free copy of any audio track you bought in the iTunes Store. It's been like that for around 10 years.
        diffeomorphism 5y ago
        Are you sure? Legally speaking you might be required to delete it then. https://xkcd.com/488/ https://xkcd.com/488/
      - kome 5y ago
        That will teach people not to "buy" stuff you don't really own. Piracy o streaming are better solution. DRM is ethically and technologically bankrupt.
        daneel_w 5y ago
        With Apple you have since many years now (10 years or so?) been able to download an unencrypted DRM-free copy of every audio track you ever bought in the iTunes Store. It's clearly to no consolation for OP, but it's worth pointing this fact out nevertheless.
        minerva23 5y ago
        To balance out your balance, with Apple, they recently chose to put government spyware on your devices (until public outcry caused them to delay/reconsider).
      - throwhauser 5y ago
        > Not funny when you lose your music and software worth several hundred euros. Indeed. I never spent much money on Apple media or applications, but in the last few years I've spent nothing.
      - theplumber 5y ago
        It's part of the walled garden's feature set. Let's hope more of this happens and people start asking for their digital rights(i.e drm free media,hardware etc)
      - deleted 5y ago
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    - behnamoh 5y ago
      What's wrong with Iran? Last I checked it's a beautiful country with nice and educated people.
      - olalonde 5y ago
        Apple is forbidden from doing business in Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran
        behnamoh 5y ago
        But its devices can still be used anywhere in the world, even if the company doesn't do business in certain places.
      - hutzlibu 5y ago
        And with a theocratic government, that wants to wipe out another country and whose former president denied the holocaust ever happened. All the iranians I met in person, were lovely people, though .
        pwinnski 5y ago
        As an American, I think it unwise to label an entire country and people on the basis of how theocratic their government is, their military ambitions, or the personal views of former presidents. Please.
        otterley 5y ago
        America has a lot of religious nuts who influence politics, but it is not a theocracy. We do not have a “supreme leader” who is both head of the Government (if not formally, but practically) and head of the official state religion. Our Constitution provides for religious freedom but otherwise says nothing about religion.
        gitgrump 5y ago
        I meeeaan, "wants to wipe out another country" and "former president denied the Holocaust ever happened" can apply to a surprising number of places.
    - interestica 5y ago
      No no. A land of ire. Seems apt here.
  - softwarebeware 5y ago
    Funny story, I once knew a guy who had a very common Irish name (both first and last). He was from California though (born and raised). When it came time to renew his passport, the government mistook him for someone involved in the IRA. He actually had to ship thirty pounds of documentation including as mundane of items as report cards, school id’s, all job paystubs, etc. — basically document his entire life as a US citizen before he finally received approval.
    - rvba 5y ago
      Gerry Adams? Ah, you wrote about someone involved with the IRA, so probably some other name.
  - philwelch 5y ago
    It sounds like your friend might be the notorious serial traffic offender known as Prawo Jazdy! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prawo_Jazdy_(alleged_criminal) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prawo_Jazdy_(alleged_crimina...
- JKCalhoun 5y ago
  > Are we taking Iran or Canada? What is this? Some kind of Axis of Sanity?
  - lillecarl 5y ago
    I think the question is relevant, certain countries are under sanctions and could make a lot of things complex for those operating services.
- softwarebeware 5y ago
  um, I live in Seattle and I can tell you that even from here there’s constant new news of organized crime, cartels, and terrorist organizations operating out of Canada.
  - mthoms 5y ago
    Organized crime, sure. But what terrorist organizations are you referring to? I live in Vancouver and have not heard of anything notable in this regard.
    - softwarebeware 5y ago
      Yeah I agree that’s definitely less frequent. You can check here for listed terrorist entities with active presence in Canada: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lst...
      - mthoms 5y ago
        Wait, the claim you made was "constant" news of terrorist organizations operating out of Canada. The list you cited was the Canadian governments' list of global entities that are designated as terrorist organizations and NOT those with an "active presence". (Tip: The US list is almost, if not entirely, identical). Can you cite any "news" you've heard in Seattle about terrorist organizations operating out of Canada?
willis936 5y ago
I wonder what they saw on their screen. Maybe it was nothing and the tech just enjoyed being unhelpful and was maybe rewarded for it. Maybe it was flagged by NSA heuristics and there was an "untrustworthy" message.
- pshirshov 5y ago
  Nope, the guy said that "yes, the appleid is banned, you know why, you breached our T&Cs, no you can't restore it". He rejected to specify what rule exactly was breached.
  - DarylZero 5y ago
    "HIPAA legally bars me from specifying which rule was broken."
    - rectang 5y ago
      That seems like a strange analogy, since as far as I know HIPAA is designed to prevent sharing private data with outsiders and should not prevent you from accessing your own data. I've heard plenty about how HIPAA gets in the way of legitimate sharing with outsiders (e.g. making a common format for medical profile transfer impractical), but I don't recall having heard about it preventing the principal individual from getting answers from their own provider.
      - runjake 5y ago
        OP is making a joke. HIPAA only applies to healthcare providers (so far as I understand from our lawyers). Edit: Why in the hell is my iPhone erroneously autocorrecting HIPAA to HIPPA?
        ohyeshedid 5y ago
        > Edit: Why in the hell is my iPhone erroneously autocorrecting HIPAA to HIPPA? Crowd-sourced autocorrect dictionary on display. :\
parentheses 5y ago
by that token, don’t trust any business. i don’t but i feel there’s a balance of ideal security/cost and ideal convenience. apple is not bad for that balance. compared to a lot of companies. not a fanboy though i may sound like one. don’t get me wrong. i have my fair share of gripes with apple, but the way apple id makes my life better is not a bad trade off.

ARandomerDude 5y ago

What country? Are we taking Iran or Canada?

pshirshov 5y ago
From Poland to Ireland.
- csomar 5y ago
  Ireland... that's quite similar to "Iranland". That must be the problem.
  - pshirshov 5y ago
    Not funny when you lose your music and software worth several hundred euros.
    - aaaaaaaaaaab 5y ago
      >when you lose your It was never yours. Buy music from Bandcamp and save it on your hard drive. That is yours.
      - gruez 5y ago
        >Buy music from Bandcamp and save it on your hard drive. That is yours but itunes music is DRM-free as well?
        dwighttk 5y ago
        You would only lose access to music not saved in an accessible location (and purchased after DRM was removed unless you took the steps to get drm free tracks[1]) and also software bought on the App Store. [1]funny story: I have one (or more) tracks in my music library that a friend shared with me almost 20 years ago when we were in college and he added me as one of the 5 computers that could play the tracks. Every time I’ve moved my library to a new computer it asks me to log into that account to approve that track, but it won’t give me a list of the tracks so I can delete it/them. It isn’t enough of an annoyance that I’ve tried too hard to find them.
      - daneel_w 5y ago
        You can download a DRM-free copy of any audio track you bought in the iTunes Store. It's been like that for around 10 years.
      - diffeomorphism 5y ago
        Are you sure? Legally speaking you might be required to delete it then. https://xkcd.com/488/ https://xkcd.com/488/
    - kome 5y ago
      That will teach people not to "buy" stuff you don't really own. Piracy o streaming are better solution. DRM is ethically and technologically bankrupt.
      - daneel_w 5y ago
        With Apple you have since many years now (10 years or so?) been able to download an unencrypted DRM-free copy of every audio track you ever bought in the iTunes Store. It's clearly to no consolation for OP, but it's worth pointing this fact out nevertheless.
        minerva23 5y ago
        To balance out your balance, with Apple, they recently chose to put government spyware on your devices (until public outcry caused them to delay/reconsider).
    - throwhauser 5y ago
      > Not funny when you lose your music and software worth several hundred euros. Indeed. I never spent much money on Apple media or applications, but in the last few years I've spent nothing.
    - theplumber 5y ago
      It's part of the walled garden's feature set. Let's hope more of this happens and people start asking for their digital rights(i.e drm free media,hardware etc)
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - behnamoh 5y ago
    What's wrong with Iran? Last I checked it's a beautiful country with nice and educated people.
    - olalonde 5y ago
      Apple is forbidden from doing business in Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran
      - behnamoh 5y ago
        But its devices can still be used anywhere in the world, even if the company doesn't do business in certain places.
    - hutzlibu 5y ago
      And with a theocratic government, that wants to wipe out another country and whose former president denied the holocaust ever happened. All the iranians I met in person, were lovely people, though .
      - pwinnski 5y ago
        As an American, I think it unwise to label an entire country and people on the basis of how theocratic their government is, their military ambitions, or the personal views of former presidents. Please.
        otterley 5y ago
        America has a lot of religious nuts who influence politics, but it is not a theocracy. We do not have a “supreme leader” who is both head of the Government (if not formally, but practically) and head of the official state religion. Our Constitution provides for religious freedom but otherwise says nothing about religion.
      - gitgrump 5y ago
        I meeeaan, "wants to wipe out another country" and "former president denied the Holocaust ever happened" can apply to a surprising number of places.
  - interestica 5y ago
    No no. A land of ire. Seems apt here.
- softwarebeware 5y ago
  Funny story, I once knew a guy who had a very common Irish name (both first and last). He was from California though (born and raised). When it came time to renew his passport, the government mistook him for someone involved in the IRA. He actually had to ship thirty pounds of documentation including as mundane of items as report cards, school id’s, all job paystubs, etc. — basically document his entire life as a US citizen before he finally received approval.
  - rvba 5y ago
    Gerry Adams? Ah, you wrote about someone involved with the IRA, so probably some other name.
- philwelch 5y ago
  It sounds like your friend might be the notorious serial traffic offender known as Prawo Jazdy! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prawo_Jazdy_(alleged_criminal) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prawo_Jazdy_(alleged_crimina...
JKCalhoun 5y ago
> Are we taking Iran or Canada? What is this? Some kind of Axis of Sanity?
- lillecarl 5y ago
  I think the question is relevant, certain countries are under sanctions and could make a lot of things complex for those operating services.
softwarebeware 5y ago
um, I live in Seattle and I can tell you that even from here there’s constant new news of organized crime, cartels, and terrorist organizations operating out of Canada.
- mthoms 5y ago
  Organized crime, sure. But what terrorist organizations are you referring to? I live in Vancouver and have not heard of anything notable in this regard.
  - softwarebeware 5y ago
    Yeah I agree that’s definitely less frequent. You can check here for listed terrorist entities with active presence in Canada: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lst...
    - mthoms 5y ago
      Wait, the claim you made was "constant" news of terrorist organizations operating out of Canada. The list you cited was the Canadian governments' list of global entities that are designated as terrorist organizations and NOT those with an "active presence". (Tip: The US list is almost, if not entirely, identical). Can you cite any "news" you've heard in Seattle about terrorist organizations operating out of Canada?

willis936 5y ago

I wonder what they saw on their screen. Maybe it was nothing and the tech just enjoyed being unhelpful and was maybe rewarded for it. Maybe it was flagged by NSA heuristics and there was an "untrustworthy" message.

pshirshov 5y ago
Nope, the guy said that "yes, the appleid is banned, you know why, you breached our T&Cs, no you can't restore it". He rejected to specify what rule exactly was breached.
- DarylZero 5y ago
  "HIPAA legally bars me from specifying which rule was broken."
  - rectang 5y ago
    That seems like a strange analogy, since as far as I know HIPAA is designed to prevent sharing private data with outsiders and should not prevent you from accessing your own data. I've heard plenty about how HIPAA gets in the way of legitimate sharing with outsiders (e.g. making a common format for medical profile transfer impractical), but I don't recall having heard about it preventing the principal individual from getting answers from their own provider.
    - runjake 5y ago
      OP is making a joke. HIPAA only applies to healthcare providers (so far as I understand from our lawyers). Edit: Why in the hell is my iPhone erroneously autocorrecting HIPAA to HIPPA?
      - ohyeshedid 5y ago
        > Edit: Why in the hell is my iPhone erroneously autocorrecting HIPAA to HIPPA? Crowd-sourced autocorrect dictionary on display. :\

parentheses 5y ago

by that token, don’t trust any business. i don’t but i feel there’s a balance of ideal security/cost and ideal convenience. apple is not bad for that balance. compared to a lot of companies. not a fanboy though i may sound like one. don’t get me wrong. i have my fair share of gripes with apple, but the way apple id makes my life better is not a bad trade off.