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> Just some “jerk” handing you a vague diagram Seriously ? , You look at docs provided by stuff like archiwiki, gentoowiki, man pages, tldr tools, whole bunch

> Just some “jerk” handing you a vague diagram Seriously ? , You look at docs provided by stuff like archiwiki, gentoowiki, man pages, tldr tools, whole bunch of other cool blogs helping you around with setting things up, entire web forums, matrix rooms, irc chats, mailing lists, and all sorts of other places to get help from. And it is a jerk handing you a “vague” diagram?. ..... idk, if you can’t read a manual, then say so. A person doesn't become a jerk to provide you with one. I understand linux/bsd variants of open source operating systems can be unviable/hard to use for people. Doesn't mean the builders become a jerk just because you cant match it to your usecase.

wwtrv 5y ago
One might argue that you shouldn’t need a manual to do many of the things on Linux you definitely need a manual for.
- teitoklien 5y ago
  Those who argue that , should not use the tools provided which definitely need a manual for. There are extensive manuals and documents for those tools, because of the flexibility and freedom they provide, its a lot harder on windows to code a script to change my display screen's color tone , depending on my mood, time of the day, or any way i want to, meanwhile with xrandr and a bash script, its just 3 lines away from me. To some people it might be unacceptable to even just operate with xrandr or similar such commandline tools, but then, why are you trying to use these tools in the first place ?, use mac, windows or a linux distro which is more hands free like Ubuntu, or Deepin or Pop_Os. My point was someone isn't a jerk, for providing that flexibility or freedom, no one likes to write huge manuals or documents, they do it out of kindness to help others use their tools, I just think it's wrong to call people like that jerks.
- BenjiWiebe 5y ago
  And I'd argue that the need for manuals on Linux is greatly overstated.
abakker 5y ago
Man, I was making a joke. Obviously maintainers of documentation aren’t jerks. I’m usually good at reading documentation. I’ve run Ubuntu on a laptop for a year or two in the past, but the headaches of audio and Wi-Fi drivers were beyond documentation, and well into SO and google rabbit holes. Ultimately I gave up and reverted to Mac. If my choice was windows or Linux, I might choose Linux, but as long as I can keep Mac OS, I’ll probably not use either.
- teitoklien 5y ago
  Ah okidoki, Meh linux , no linux both are ok, I’ve just had too many people genuinely call people jerks for providing foss tools that don’t meet their criterias.... Confused you with those, extremely sorry.

wwtrv 5y ago

One might argue that you shouldn’t need a manual to do many of the things on Linux you definitely need a manual for.

teitoklien 5y ago
Those who argue that , should not use the tools provided which definitely need a manual for. There are extensive manuals and documents for those tools, because of the flexibility and freedom they provide, its a lot harder on windows to code a script to change my display screen's color tone , depending on my mood, time of the day, or any way i want to, meanwhile with xrandr and a bash script, its just 3 lines away from me. To some people it might be unacceptable to even just operate with xrandr or similar such commandline tools, but then, why are you trying to use these tools in the first place ?, use mac, windows or a linux distro which is more hands free like Ubuntu, or Deepin or Pop_Os. My point was someone isn't a jerk, for providing that flexibility or freedom, no one likes to write huge manuals or documents, they do it out of kindness to help others use their tools, I just think it's wrong to call people like that jerks.
BenjiWiebe 5y ago
And I'd argue that the need for manuals on Linux is greatly overstated.

abakker 5y ago

Man, I was making a joke. Obviously maintainers of documentation aren’t jerks. I’m usually good at reading documentation. I’ve run Ubuntu on a laptop for a year or two in the past, but the headaches of audio and Wi-Fi drivers were beyond documentation, and well into SO and google rabbit holes. Ultimately I gave up and reverted to Mac. If my choice was windows or Linux, I might choose Linux, but as long as I can keep Mac OS, I’ll probably not use either.

teitoklien 5y ago
Ah okidoki, Meh linux , no linux both are ok, I’ve just had too many people genuinely call people jerks for providing foss tools that don’t meet their criterias.... Confused you with those, extremely sorry.