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purely anecdotal but i've never been able to code any mac apps because i refuse to create an icloud account (which means i can't access the mac app store to dow

purely anecdotal but i've never been able to code any mac apps because i refuse to create an icloud account (which means i can't access the mac app store to download xcode to work on obj-c). its not just an apple thing. never been able to program c# for the same reason. any time there's some sort of account signup or license needed to code something, i refuse to participate. python, golang, rust, etc. don't have any stupid hurdles to overcome so those are technologies i use.

no_time 5y ago
I played around with the login flow of Visual Studio some time ago and it didnt seem to pin certificates so a simple mitmproxy plugin should help avoid logging in. Never got around to making it though so there might be some pitfalls.
- iggldiggl 5y ago
  I'm not sure if this still works with newer VS versions, but for VS 2017 I stumbled across somebody explaining how the 30 days trial period was stored in the registry and wrote a little program for that process.
  - no_time 5y ago
    lol thats nice. Another thing I experimented with is downloading one of their dev VMs that supposed to expire but lie about the system clock and never connect it to the internet. It's tedious but works
tailspin2019 5y ago
Regarding C#, anyone can just download VS Code [0] without any login/signup. But you don’t even need that… The .NET SDK is readily available as a standalone download for almost all platforms now [1] which you can use to just compile on the command line and use any editor you like. JetBrains Rider EAP is free to use I believe if you want a full IDE without needing to login (edit: it seems the EAP program is opened and closed at specific times [3]) I can’t remember if Visual Studio Community edition requires a login or not, but frankly even as a full time .NET developer I barely go near Visual Studio these days. Overall the ecosystem is a little more open and dare I say “friendly” than Apple’s! [0] https://code.visualstudio.com/download https://code.visualstudio.com/download [1] https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download [3] https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/nextversion/ https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/nextversion/
torginus 5y ago
brew install dotnet-sdk Install Vs Code and the C# plugin and you're in the game.
makecheck 5y ago
As long as you have an Apple ID (developer account), you can download Xcode from developer.apple.com (no store), though it is a few clicks to find where they bury release-quality app downloads.
heavyset_go 5y ago
You can pull the .NET Core libs and SDK from your favorite Linux package managers. .NET Core will still phone home[1], though. There's also the free and open source Mono runtime for C#. [1] https://stackoverflow.com/a/64570141 https://stackoverflow.com/a/64570141

no_time 5y ago

I played around with the login flow of Visual Studio some time ago and it didnt seem to pin certificates so a simple mitmproxy plugin should help avoid logging in. Never got around to making it though so there might be some pitfalls.

iggldiggl 5y ago
I'm not sure if this still works with newer VS versions, but for VS 2017 I stumbled across somebody explaining how the 30 days trial period was stored in the registry and wrote a little program for that process.
- no_time 5y ago
  lol thats nice. Another thing I experimented with is downloading one of their dev VMs that supposed to expire but lie about the system clock and never connect it to the internet. It's tedious but works

tailspin2019 5y ago

Regarding C#, anyone can just download VS Code [0] without any login/signup. But you don’t even need that… The .NET SDK is readily available as a standalone download for almost all platforms now [1] which you can use to just compile on the command line and use any editor you like. JetBrains Rider EAP is free to use I believe if you want a full IDE without needing to login (edit: it seems the EAP program is opened and closed at specific times [3]) I can’t remember if Visual Studio Community edition requires a login or not, but frankly even as a full time .NET developer I barely go near Visual Studio these days. Overall the ecosystem is a little more open and dare I say “friendly” than Apple’s! [0] https://code.visualstudio.com/download https://code.visualstudio.com/download [1] https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download [3] https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/nextversion/ https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/nextversion/

torginus 5y ago

brew install dotnet-sdk Install Vs Code and the C# plugin and you're in the game.

makecheck 5y ago

As long as you have an Apple ID (developer account), you can download Xcode from developer.apple.com (no store), though it is a few clicks to find where they bury release-quality app downloads.

heavyset_go 5y ago

You can pull the .NET Core libs and SDK from your favorite Linux package managers. .NET Core will still phone home[1], though. There's also the free and open source Mono runtime for C#. [1] https://stackoverflow.com/a/64570141 https://stackoverflow.com/a/64570141