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So your theory is that no matter how people organize themselves they will always commit mass atrocities? I can agree with this on some level, there is a lot of

by david 18y ago

So your theory is that no matter how people organize themselves they will always commit mass atrocities? I can agree with this on some level, there is a lot of psychological disturbance among human beings and has been throughout history. I'm wondering if you are aware that there is ample evidence in the work of Adorno and his collegues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_personality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_personality), Lloyd deMause and the Institute for Psychohistory (http://www.psychohistory.com/ http://www.psychohistory.com/) and Alice Miller (http://www.alice-miller.com/index_en.php http://www.alice-miller.com/index_en.php) that political and military disasters are not linked to something intrinsic and inevitable in human nature, but rather to childhood and even prenatal experiences that can be avoided? If you haven't, you might take a look at Lloyd deMause's book "The Emotional Life of Nations" (readable online: http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/childhod/chindex.htm http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/childhod/chindex.htm), which I think traces this ability of humans to murder and pillage to it's source and provides a plan for how it can be eliminated in the future.

run4yourlives 18y ago
So your theory is that no matter how people organize themselves they will always commit mass atrocities? Not quite, my theory is that the ability to commit atrocities is (much like I would assume your evidence would suggest) certainly evident in every being on the planet. Mass atrocities and murder on large scales is simply a result of many people getting together, regardless of how they do so. Because it's the individual, and not the organization that is the actor, your point that "governments have murdered more people than corporations" is bunk. Given more power, any organization is capable of such crimes. For example, the Catholic Church.
- david 18y ago
  Well if you ever have some time to kill, check out some of those links, they provide a way out that isn't easy, and is probably mulitgenerational.It seems pretty solid to me and would get rid of the ability to commit atrocities not by a new form of organization, but rather by curing individuals.

by david 18y ago

run4yourlives 18y ago

So your theory is that no matter how people organize themselves they will always commit mass atrocities? Not quite, my theory is that the ability to commit atrocities is (much like I would assume your evidence would suggest) certainly evident in every being on the planet. Mass atrocities and murder on large scales is simply a result of many people getting together, regardless of how they do so. Because it's the individual, and not the organization that is the actor, your point that "governments have murdered more people than corporations" is bunk. Given more power, any organization is capable of such crimes. For example, the Catholic Church.

david 18y ago
Well if you ever have some time to kill, check out some of those links, they provide a way out that isn't easy, and is probably mulitgenerational.It seems pretty solid to me and would get rid of the ability to commit atrocities not by a new form of organization, but rather by curing individuals.