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> Hours are hours time is time. That's not true. How long would it take a random person off the street to be good enough to work as a developer at Apple? How l

> Hours are hours time is time. That's not true. How long would it take a random person off the street to be good enough to work as a developer at Apple? How long for a retail store worker? The difference is years. The difference limits supply for good developers, and since the demand is also high, their labor is more expensive to buy than retail store workers. Limiting CEO pay to some multiplier is fine, but we don't have to pretend that everyone's labor should be similarly valued.

gremlinsinc 5y ago
How long would it take a random person off the street to be good enough to work as a developer at Apple? If they had rich parents and didn't have to work at Apple to just survive, probably not long at all. They'd easily do it. The only reason they aren't successful is because of poverty. It's been hashed out between Paul Graham and the cloudflare ceo (iirc) that not anybody can build a company because true success requires having rich parents or supports you can fall back on while you're building prototypes and side businesses... >Oh Paul, you know better. I had to borrow money from my mom to pay my taxes when we were starting Cloudflare. But I certainly came from a relatively privileged background, and so did the AirBnB founders. It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net. source: https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1129929178382446592 https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1129929178382446592 Again given everybody starts at the same beginning starting line, then sure we can begin valuing people based on credentials, etc... but since we don't have a society like that....hours are the only equal output a person CAN give, and maybe a better measurement of their work ethic and value to society. society would kinda suck if I couldn't order a pizza because nobody wants to work shit wages....I value them, but I can't afford to personally pay them more than the cost of goods and maybe a tip... it's on the company and society to form unions and supports to ensure that they can lead happy lives without having to (because some don't want to) go through further schooling and education. When you're working 2 jobs and 80s per week and still can't own your own car, it becomes a big endeavor just to not decide to end it all after 10 or 20 years of that... it's grueling and miserable. Personally I think the only solution is re-building the strong unions of the 30s and 40s... but that's gonna take a long time to get right.

gremlinsinc 5y ago

How long would it take a random person off the street to be good enough to work as a developer at Apple? If they had rich parents and didn't have to work at Apple to just survive, probably not long at all. They'd easily do it. The only reason they aren't successful is because of poverty. It's been hashed out between Paul Graham and the cloudflare ceo (iirc) that not anybody can build a company because true success requires having rich parents or supports you can fall back on while you're building prototypes and side businesses... >Oh Paul, you know better. I had to borrow money from my mom to pay my taxes when we were starting Cloudflare. But I certainly came from a relatively privileged background, and so did the AirBnB founders. It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net. source: https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1129929178382446592 https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1129929178382446592 Again given everybody starts at the same beginning starting line, then sure we can begin valuing people based on credentials, etc... but since we don't have a society like that....hours are the only equal output a person CAN give, and maybe a better measurement of their work ethic and value to society. society would kinda suck if I couldn't order a pizza because nobody wants to work shit wages....I value them, but I can't afford to personally pay them more than the cost of goods and maybe a tip... it's on the company and society to form unions and supports to ensure that they can lead happy lives without having to (because some don't want to) go through further schooling and education. When you're working 2 jobs and 80s per week and still can't own your own car, it becomes a big endeavor just to not decide to end it all after 10 or 20 years of that... it's grueling and miserable. Personally I think the only solution is re-building the strong unions of the 30s and 40s... but that's gonna take a long time to get right.