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> the real reason why they're mentioned here ...is simply because they are the most evident and universally recognized symbol of influence of neo-nazism on mod

> the real reason why they're mentioned here ...is simply because they are the most evident and universally recognized symbol of influence of neo-nazism on modern Ukraine's politics. > Like it or not, Azov Battalion is partially responsible for why Ukraine still has as much territory as it does. I mean, good for them! Not even sure why you call them and their ideology "pathetic". Millitary-wise, it's a great feat, real-world nazis were also quite efficient. It's just that it is still an evidence of what kind of sentiments are a driving force of post-coup Ukraininan government, which gives a rather clear answer to the question of whether Russia needed to do much (or anything at all) for enough people to turn against new government. As simple as that.

notch656a 5y ago
So you're saying Russia didn't act because the people that want to (and actually did) kill Russians were who they actually wanted in influence? Why would Azov Battalion be a deciding factor on Russia's desire to influence Ukraine? I would think Russia would not want Azov influence in Ukraine. >Not even sure why you call them and their ideology "pathetic" I called their ideology pathetic, not their fighting force. Their fighting force is commendable.
- foverzar 5y ago
  > So you're saying Russia didn't act because the people that want to (and actually did) kill Russians were who they actually wanted in influence? Erm, no, what specific Russia's action do you have in mind? I am not really sure what you are saying, but it seems completely out of touch with what I meant and the topic generally. You are missing the point here, Azov is just an undeniable universal evidence of Ukraine's government being in bed with neo-nazis and it's a sentiment enough for people to disaprove and rally against, nothing more is implied here. I could just as well use the examle of language policy, or openly prasing nazi collaborators, or like how the Ukraine voted against heroisation of facism in the UN. But none of this is as simple to google and go "holy shit, how is this a thing?" as Azov, that's all.
  - notch656a 5y ago
    Fair enough. I'm in agreement.

notch656a 5y ago

So you're saying Russia didn't act because the people that want to (and actually did) kill Russians were who they actually wanted in influence? Why would Azov Battalion be a deciding factor on Russia's desire to influence Ukraine? I would think Russia would not want Azov influence in Ukraine. >Not even sure why you call them and their ideology "pathetic" I called their ideology pathetic, not their fighting force. Their fighting force is commendable.

foverzar 5y ago
> So you're saying Russia didn't act because the people that want to (and actually did) kill Russians were who they actually wanted in influence? Erm, no, what specific Russia's action do you have in mind? I am not really sure what you are saying, but it seems completely out of touch with what I meant and the topic generally. You are missing the point here, Azov is just an undeniable universal evidence of Ukraine's government being in bed with neo-nazis and it's a sentiment enough for people to disaprove and rally against, nothing more is implied here. I could just as well use the examle of language policy, or openly prasing nazi collaborators, or like how the Ukraine voted against heroisation of facism in the UN. But none of this is as simple to google and go "holy shit, how is this a thing?" as Azov, that's all.
- notch656a 5y ago
  Fair enough. I'm in agreement.