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> clearly we exist in this incarnation after however long, finite time that took, and therefore after death given enough time this will happen again Am I under

by awb 5y ago

> clearly we exist in this incarnation after however long, finite time that took, and therefore after death given enough time this will happen again Am I understanding you that you believe that because you went from non-existence to existence once you think it will happen again? Why? I understand reincarnation as a faith based belief (that can’t be proven or disproven) but I don’t understand it as a rational argument. Nothing in life I know of is destined to repeat.

foobarian 5y ago
> you think it will happen again? Why? Because we have infinite time available to wait. Of course it's not a 100% logical argument, this sort of thing usually can't be, but to me it's more convincing than just decreeing things like religious texts do.
- awb 5y ago
  > Because we have infinite time available to wait. Do we though? With a Big Crunch, the universe is destroyed. With a Big Freeze space-time is ripped apart. I haven’t heard of a modern physics theory that allows for infinite time.
  - darkerside 5y ago
    And what's beyond the universe? "You" are only a ship of Theseus in its form for the day. I think what parent poster is saying is, something will come next. It always does.
  - throwawayboise 5y ago
    > With a Big Crunch, the universe is destroyed. With a Big Freeze space-time is ripped apart. And then what happens?
  - generalizations 5y ago
    It's also thought that the universe exists in cycles of bangs and crunches. Not that we can really test that hypothesis though.
XorNot 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3%A9_recurrence_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3%A9_recurrence_theor... The logic follows, and we do in fact even know of a mechanism since quantum mechanics as currently observed provides for unexpected events spontaneously occurring with a very low probability. But that's where time probability gets weird: once you're dead time is meaningless. You can be dead for a 10^100 years, and its the same as being dead for 5 minutes. So if the universe (or multiverse) has some mechanism which generates new configurations of matter, then eventually it'll iterate a lot of perceptually indistinguishable versions of reality that from your subjective position will look the same. It gets even weirder because if you think about it, our universe has rules, so maybe not all configurations are allowed but this one we are currently experiencing definitely is, so it's recurrence is guaranteed provided there's no global limiting function we're unaware of.
- awb 5y ago
  From the Poincaré recurrence theorem: > The result applies to isolated mechanical systems subject to some constraints, e.g., all particles must be bound to a finite volume. If space is infinite, then I don’t think this would apply. > So if the universe (or multiverse) has some mechanism which generates new configurations of matter, then eventually it'll iterate a lot of perceptually indistinguishable versions of reality that from your subjective position will look the same. But that’s not really reincarnation is it? Like the Dali Lama believes they hop from body to body within this singular timeline. The multiverse would just be copies of the universe, that have no connection / impact on the other versions, no?

by awb 5y ago

foobarian 5y ago

> you think it will happen again? Why? Because we have infinite time available to wait. Of course it's not a 100% logical argument, this sort of thing usually can't be, but to me it's more convincing than just decreeing things like religious texts do.

awb 5y ago
> Because we have infinite time available to wait. Do we though? With a Big Crunch, the universe is destroyed. With a Big Freeze space-time is ripped apart. I haven’t heard of a modern physics theory that allows for infinite time.
- darkerside 5y ago
  And what's beyond the universe? "You" are only a ship of Theseus in its form for the day. I think what parent poster is saying is, something will come next. It always does.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  > With a Big Crunch, the universe is destroyed. With a Big Freeze space-time is ripped apart. And then what happens?
- generalizations 5y ago
  It's also thought that the universe exists in cycles of bangs and crunches. Not that we can really test that hypothesis though.

XorNot 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3%A9_recurrence_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3%A9_recurrence_theor... The logic follows, and we do in fact even know of a mechanism since quantum mechanics as currently observed provides for unexpected events spontaneously occurring with a very low probability. But that's where time probability gets weird: once you're dead time is meaningless. You can be dead for a 10^100 years, and its the same as being dead for 5 minutes. So if the universe (or multiverse) has some mechanism which generates new configurations of matter, then eventually it'll iterate a lot of perceptually indistinguishable versions of reality that from your subjective position will look the same. It gets even weirder because if you think about it, our universe has rules, so maybe not all configurations are allowed but this one we are currently experiencing definitely is, so it's recurrence is guaranteed provided there's no global limiting function we're unaware of.

awb 5y ago
From the Poincaré recurrence theorem: > The result applies to isolated mechanical systems subject to some constraints, e.g., all particles must be bound to a finite volume. If space is infinite, then I don’t think this would apply. > So if the universe (or multiverse) has some mechanism which generates new configurations of matter, then eventually it'll iterate a lot of perceptually indistinguishable versions of reality that from your subjective position will look the same. But that’s not really reincarnation is it? Like the Dali Lama believes they hop from body to body within this singular timeline. The multiverse would just be copies of the universe, that have no connection / impact on the other versions, no?