I'm speaking about the world as a whole there. If the population of the Netherlands would decrease it would be good for the world as a whole. Of course any meas

I'm speaking about the world as a whole there. If the population of the Netherlands would decrease it would be good for the world as a whole. Of course any measures in asia would be far more powerful. But we have to set the example. We have to stop viewing world problems as national issues. Just like the climate problem, we can be 'green' because we externalise a lot of our carbon problems to other countries. That's not helpful at all. It's just smart bookkeeping to keep behaving as we are.