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Don't know if it's really conquering, but here's a trend that I've seen: In the past, American products were regarded as the best and Made in USA meant quality

by jontsai 15y ago

Don't know if it's really conquering, but here's a trend that I've seen: In the past, American products were regarded as the best and Made in USA meant quality. Next were Japanese products and consumer electronics. Starting 5-10 years ago, I began to see the well-regarded brands like Sony and Toshiba become more of a boutique brand (overpriced compared to what it offered) as they focused more on style than functionality. Most recently, products from China and Korea-based companies (Haier, Samsung, LG, Hyundai) have started to become more mainstream. This just shows that there will always be up-and-coming competitors who will out-hustle, out-engineer, and out-build the previous market dominators if they don't keep innovating and staying fresh. The smaller competitors, given enough time, will catch up.

rhygar 15y ago
Samsung is really good at producing knockoffs: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392106,00.asp http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392106,00.asp After all, they manufacture tons of components that go into these devices. It's not hard to take a part that someone else designed and stamp your own brand on it.
- rhygar 15y ago
  Hmm, seems like the Apple haters don't like to hear the truth.
  - bluedanieru 15y ago
    What truth is that? That Apple has fucking patented aluminium now?
    - rhygar 15y ago
      The truth that Apple produces most of the innovation in design that other companies then want to copy.
      - bluedanieru 15y ago
        What innovation of Apple's has Samsung copied here?
SwellJoe 15y ago
I don't know if there will "always" be up-and-coming competitors. There are only so many third world countries left to come up and "always" is a very long time. Hopefully, there are many models for "coming up", since making cooler gadgets probably won't work for everyone. Of course, one could make the argument that current first world countries will decline to the point where they can begin to compete on price just as the up-and-comers begin to charge more. It's already happening, to a limited degree, in autos. Some manufacturing has come back to the US in places where wages and taxes are low. The recent economic downturn has caused quite a few kinds of work to return to the US, including manufacturing that was taking place in China.
- jontsai 15y ago
  I know I'm venturing a bit off topic, but... From what I've seen, 5 years is about the amount of time for major changes in trends to take place. A lot of companies can rise and fall in 5 years, which is the same amount of time it takes for a startup to come out of nowhere and then dominate the scene. We haven't really seen China and India explode yet. I would even dare to say that a lot of people on HN haven't taken a close look at Chinese websites. Rhygar's comment not only applies to Samsung, but a lot of other companies we haven't even heard of in other countries. There are Chinese travel websites (e.g. qunar and huochepiao), auction sites (taobao), search engines (baidu), social networks (renren), made by really smart engineers who understand their local markets and cost a fifth to a third of what US software engineers cost--and when those companies make boatloads of cash in their own country, guess where they will start pushing out to? I laughed when I went to Shanghai several years ago and saw all the urinals and toilets in the airport with the American Standard brand. Now, I see a lot of Toto (Japanese) branded toilets in American restaurants and public restrooms.
  - Hyena 15y ago
    "and when those companies make boatloads of cash in their own country, guess where they will start pushing out to?" Nowhere. They're localized copies of services existing elsewhere. Their strength tends to be either localization or central government block on American competitors.
tintin 15y ago
It's strange that we see Asian brands as copy-cats all the time. Copy-cats just copy but a lot of upcoming Asian brand are improving. I think this is why Steve Jobs was inspired by Sony: making improvements. But I have to admit there are also a lot of useless copy-cat products on the market (not only in Asia). Those 'brands' will not survive because they won't offer an improvement.

by jontsai 15y ago

rhygar 15y ago

Samsung is really good at producing knockoffs: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392106,00.asp http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392106,00.asp After all, they manufacture tons of components that go into these devices. It's not hard to take a part that someone else designed and stamp your own brand on it.

rhygar 15y ago
Hmm, seems like the Apple haters don't like to hear the truth.
- bluedanieru 15y ago
  What truth is that? That Apple has fucking patented aluminium now?
  - rhygar 15y ago
    The truth that Apple produces most of the innovation in design that other companies then want to copy.
    - bluedanieru 15y ago
      What innovation of Apple's has Samsung copied here?

SwellJoe 15y ago

I don't know if there will "always" be up-and-coming competitors. There are only so many third world countries left to come up and "always" is a very long time. Hopefully, there are many models for "coming up", since making cooler gadgets probably won't work for everyone. Of course, one could make the argument that current first world countries will decline to the point where they can begin to compete on price just as the up-and-comers begin to charge more. It's already happening, to a limited degree, in autos. Some manufacturing has come back to the US in places where wages and taxes are low. The recent economic downturn has caused quite a few kinds of work to return to the US, including manufacturing that was taking place in China.

jontsai 15y ago
I know I'm venturing a bit off topic, but... From what I've seen, 5 years is about the amount of time for major changes in trends to take place. A lot of companies can rise and fall in 5 years, which is the same amount of time it takes for a startup to come out of nowhere and then dominate the scene. We haven't really seen China and India explode yet. I would even dare to say that a lot of people on HN haven't taken a close look at Chinese websites. Rhygar's comment not only applies to Samsung, but a lot of other companies we haven't even heard of in other countries. There are Chinese travel websites (e.g. qunar and huochepiao), auction sites (taobao), search engines (baidu), social networks (renren), made by really smart engineers who understand their local markets and cost a fifth to a third of what US software engineers cost--and when those companies make boatloads of cash in their own country, guess where they will start pushing out to? I laughed when I went to Shanghai several years ago and saw all the urinals and toilets in the airport with the American Standard brand. Now, I see a lot of Toto (Japanese) branded toilets in American restaurants and public restrooms.
- Hyena 15y ago
  "and when those companies make boatloads of cash in their own country, guess where they will start pushing out to?" Nowhere. They're localized copies of services existing elsewhere. Their strength tends to be either localization or central government block on American competitors.

tintin 15y ago

It's strange that we see Asian brands as copy-cats all the time. Copy-cats just copy but a lot of upcoming Asian brand are improving. I think this is why Steve Jobs was inspired by Sony: making improvements. But I have to admit there are also a lot of useless copy-cat products on the market (not only in Asia). Those 'brands' will not survive because they won't offer an improvement.