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> the humans who are positioned to weather it deserve to have their resources and land redistributed to said victims because of climate change. I mean, can you

> the humans who are positioned to weather it deserve to have their resources and land redistributed to said victims because of climate change. I mean, can you really disagree with the logic of this? The richest are likely to be the ones who have consumed the most and who have thus contributed most to climate change, and also they have the most resources available to help mitigate the problems they've caused. Given that they've benefited most from society, and have the most to lose if society collapses, they should be keen to pay their fair share (i.e. in proportion to their net wealth). You may not like "committees of appointed politically aligned experts", but if they are appointed by democratically elected representatives (and unless you can point to some experts that are free from any political alignment), I'm not sure who would be better at making decisions for how resources are distributed to solve societal problems. (For what it's worth, I thought your earlier comment about "controlled demolition of western economies" was thought-provoking, so I upvoted it).

motohagiography 5y ago
Indeed, the point I was making was that the experts wouldn't be experts at all, they will be aparatchiks and party loyalists who can be trusted to maintain the narrative and ideology, just like they have been in every other variation of this scheme in the last 100 years. What started with, "hey, maybe we shouldn't litter, and maybe we should stop companies from poisoning watersheds and wrecking land," has become, "we must centrally plan all economic activity according to political exigencies," and I'm saying this has precedents that ended terribly and I don't see it working this time either. The issue of fertilizer prices is the effect of these policies designed to orchestrate a controlled demolition of the economy, which is a necessary step to disenfranchise the specific class of smallholders and business owners who naturally resist living under the regime of a planned economy, which operates on hallucinatory narratives designed to atomize and subjugate people. It's called "de-kulakization," and it's straight playbook. The kaleidescope of absurd narratives we see right now are designed to "neutralize" people, that is, to make them believe nothing is true and trust nothing enough to resist what this cadre of terrible people are creating. It's a trip to watch it happen in real time after only having read about it in history, and to have the opportunity to provide commentary while it's happening, but this goes so badly, if a few more people can see wtf is happening, maybe we can mitigate the consequences.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  > has become, "we must centrally plan all economic activity according to political exigencies," Could you give some examples of popular Western politicians currently advocating for centrally planning all economic activity? If you stretch "all direct CO2 emissions" to mean the same as "all economic activity", and "taxing after the fact" to mean same as "centrally planning", then maybe 10% of Western politicians and voters would support what you're afraid of.
  - motohagiography 5y ago
    The most obvious examples of planned economy measures include internal passports, lockdowns, debt monetization (money printing), corporate ESG investment requirements, etc.

motohagiography 5y ago

Indeed, the point I was making was that the experts wouldn't be experts at all, they will be aparatchiks and party loyalists who can be trusted to maintain the narrative and ideology, just like they have been in every other variation of this scheme in the last 100 years. What started with, "hey, maybe we shouldn't litter, and maybe we should stop companies from poisoning watersheds and wrecking land," has become, "we must centrally plan all economic activity according to political exigencies," and I'm saying this has precedents that ended terribly and I don't see it working this time either. The issue of fertilizer prices is the effect of these policies designed to orchestrate a controlled demolition of the economy, which is a necessary step to disenfranchise the specific class of smallholders and business owners who naturally resist living under the regime of a planned economy, which operates on hallucinatory narratives designed to atomize and subjugate people. It's called "de-kulakization," and it's straight playbook. The kaleidescope of absurd narratives we see right now are designed to "neutralize" people, that is, to make them believe nothing is true and trust nothing enough to resist what this cadre of terrible people are creating. It's a trip to watch it happen in real time after only having read about it in history, and to have the opportunity to provide commentary while it's happening, but this goes so badly, if a few more people can see wtf is happening, maybe we can mitigate the consequences.

dane-pgp 5y ago
> has become, "we must centrally plan all economic activity according to political exigencies," Could you give some examples of popular Western politicians currently advocating for centrally planning all economic activity? If you stretch "all direct CO2 emissions" to mean the same as "all economic activity", and "taxing after the fact" to mean same as "centrally planning", then maybe 10% of Western politicians and voters would support what you're afraid of.
- motohagiography 5y ago
  The most obvious examples of planned economy measures include internal passports, lockdowns, debt monetization (money printing), corporate ESG investment requirements, etc.