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In mice.

SECProto 5y ago
> In mice. Rats, actually. Here's[1] the study. Rodent models are widely used for studies. Do you have particular concerns about them being used in this study to gather implications on human diet and health? [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-021-01309-7 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-021-01309-7
- amanaplanacanal 5y ago
  The natural diet of the rat and the human are quite different. This alone would make me question any dietary studies using rats. Imagine if they used cats instead, which are almost wholly carnivorous. Or cattle, which live mostly on the foliage of plants. How applicable to humans could the results be?
- satya71 5y ago
  Mice and rats are not humans. Sensational headlines with strong conclusions drawn from animal model studies is not good science.
spicybright 5y ago
And we inject deadly viruses into our bodies when administering vaccines. Yet they still work. Just because you haven't had experience in this field of study so it sounds weird doesn't mean it's somehow useless or doesn't work.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  So I guess the question is: What percentage of effects are observed in rodents and reproduce in humans?
  - spicybright 5y ago
    You'll have to do your own research on that if you want to know. I don't have any horse in this race, personally. I don't have kids and don't have plans to pop any out of me, so I don't feel the need to investigate further. But I still want to point out no one in this thread so far has any data or experience interpreting it to claim "my kid is not a rat, therefore the study means very little." I'm happy to be proven that rats aren't a good indicator for what the article claims though. There's a lot of bogus academic papers out there, especially within the past 10 years. But I'm also not going to interpret it with my "gut" feeling of rat != kid on this because it's way out of the scope of what I understand. There's better people outside of hacker news comments that can explain this stuff better.
- watwut 5y ago
  Most vaccines don't contain live virus. Mrna vaccines don't contain virus full at all.
  - spicybright 5y ago
    Yeah, I used a little bit of hyperbole to make my point.
philliphaydon 5y ago
If that’s how you view all studies then by all means let your kids drink coke and eat donuts all day. But as someone who consumes alot of sugar and actively tries to prevent my child from consuming sugar. I appreciate these studies that give us insight into the affects of sugar on children. Gives me more motivation to prevent my child from getting too much sugar.

In mice.

> In mice. Rats, actually. Here's[1] the study. Rodent models are widely used for studies. Do you have particular concerns about them being used in this study to gather implications on human diet and health? [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-021-01309-7 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-021-01309-7

amanaplanacanal 5y ago
The natural diet of the rat and the human are quite different. This alone would make me question any dietary studies using rats. Imagine if they used cats instead, which are almost wholly carnivorous. Or cattle, which live mostly on the foliage of plants. How applicable to humans could the results be?
satya71 5y ago
Mice and rats are not humans. Sensational headlines with strong conclusions drawn from animal model studies is not good science.

spicybright 5y ago

And we inject deadly viruses into our bodies when administering vaccines. Yet they still work. Just because you haven't had experience in this field of study so it sounds weird doesn't mean it's somehow useless or doesn't work.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
So I guess the question is: What percentage of effects are observed in rodents and reproduce in humans?
- spicybright 5y ago
  You'll have to do your own research on that if you want to know. I don't have any horse in this race, personally. I don't have kids and don't have plans to pop any out of me, so I don't feel the need to investigate further. But I still want to point out no one in this thread so far has any data or experience interpreting it to claim "my kid is not a rat, therefore the study means very little." I'm happy to be proven that rats aren't a good indicator for what the article claims though. There's a lot of bogus academic papers out there, especially within the past 10 years. But I'm also not going to interpret it with my "gut" feeling of rat != kid on this because it's way out of the scope of what I understand. There's better people outside of hacker news comments that can explain this stuff better.
watwut 5y ago
Most vaccines don't contain live virus. Mrna vaccines don't contain virus full at all.
- spicybright 5y ago
  Yeah, I used a little bit of hyperbole to make my point.

philliphaydon 5y ago

If that’s how you view all studies then by all means let your kids drink coke and eat donuts all day. But as someone who consumes alot of sugar and actively tries to prevent my child from consuming sugar. I appreciate these studies that give us insight into the affects of sugar on children. Gives me more motivation to prevent my child from getting too much sugar.