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Loopy Pro

150 points by alin23 5y ago

seertaak 5y ago
As the creator of zenAud.io I'd like to congratulate you for this super cool app. I wish you all the best with your release :)
- bryans 5y ago
  Are you aware that your website is currently compromised and redirecting to malware?
  - wsinks 5y ago
    I'm not OP, but just confirming that their site does go to the unexpected.
  - jcims 5y ago
    Probably not. Most of that type of malware takes additional measures to avoid detection by the site maintainers.
maxwell_xander 5y ago
- clajiness 5y ago
  nice. thanks for the recommendation. i like her sound, so that's an instant sub.
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    Yep just came back to comment after checking it out. Not sure why comment has been flagged... I'd say a reccomendation of that type is likely to interest people checking out a looping DAW. Really nice sound, subscribed.
    - wsinks 5y ago
      who was it? I don't think I can see a flagged comment
      - maxwell_xander 5y ago
        ANNI. The specific video I linked to doesn't involve much live looping, but here is one of her vids that does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgNDY2qKZGo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgNDY2qKZGo I'm quite a fan
    - maxwell_xander 5y ago
      I suppose since my name is green, and I said I'm shilling, and linked to Youtube, someone assumed it was some autospam promotion bot thing.
andybak 5y ago
Curious if there's a HN specific angle? I'm fascinated by this category but especially if there's a UI innovation.
- archagon 5y ago
  Well, Michael Tyson has been in the iOS audio space for a long time (releasing a number of ubiquitously used frameworks and apps in the process), and has been working on this particular project for almost a decade IIRC.
- smcnally 5y ago
  There are very clever contextual UI / UX features, gestures for fine-grain control of faders, levels, balance. JP Music UK video from LoopyPro.com https://youtu.be/zz2Ggzd1QDo https://youtu.be/zz2Ggzd1QDo
gmcerveny 5y ago
Fantastic to see Michael Tyson releasing this update. I've relied on his contributions to iOS music app development tools (the amazing audio engine, audiobus, the spectacular sync engine) throughout my career. Of particular note is the custom yearly / keep forever pricing model he is trying with this release.
I_am_tiberius 5y ago
Ok, I clicked the link because I thought there is a new trackball available.
eweise 5y ago
Really cool UI
can16358p 5y ago
I love this honest and straight model of purchase regarding a 7-day trial and one time purchase with 12 months updates, while letting the user keep whatever they have or upgrade only if they want to. Will give it a try.
- wsinks 5y ago
  That was my biggest takeaway as well, I thought that was really interesting!
- alin23 5y ago
  Yep, I feel it's the best of both worlds between subscription and one-time purchase, while also supporting the dev when a high-effort upgrade is needed. I've done the same for Lunar (https://lunar.fyi https://lunar.fyi) but people were very confused at first and didn't understand the model. I had to respond with "It's not a subscription." and a lengthy description of how it works more than I'd have liked to.
- mortenjorck 5y ago
  It's honestly a breath of fresh air. I wish Apple made it easier for developers to adopt this business model instead of having to choose between an unsustainable one-time purchase and an unpalatable rent-forever subscription. I wonder how much work went into building the framework to enable a "subscription to new features" on iOS. Perhaps it's even something the developer might be interested in open-sourcing so more developers can go this route?
  - rhizome 5y ago
    I don't know how the purchasing gets set up, but couldn't all of these just be separate products? 7-day trial, permanent version license, upgrades for two years...all with different prices? Does Apple prevent you from applying more than one to a single app or something?
    - TheJoeMan 5y ago
      Because the 12 months are from purchase date not development cycle, so you’d have to track features available to each user.
iamcreasy 5y ago
Is it correct to say that Loopy Pro is a DAW for iOS devices?
- mortenjorck 5y ago
  Not a conventional one, but it checks the boxes of recording audio on multiple tracks and the ability to edit on a linear timeline (in song mode), plus the ability to host plugins. Like Ableton Live, it's both a DAW and an improvisation/performance environment. One common DAW feature it lacks (that many, including Ableton, also lacked in the early days) is MIDI sequencing, but it's on their roadmap.
SloopJon 5y ago
I bought Loopy HD several years ago after seeing Jimmy Fallon and Billy Joel use it for "The Lion Sleeps Tonight." YouTube has some slide shows with audio, but I can't find a video that shows Jimmy using the app. I can't say that I've used the app to as good effect.
- realo 5y ago
  Here you go: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/jimmy-fallon-tonight-show-billy-joel-doo-wop-the-lion-sleeps-tonight/80333/?amp https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/ji...
dlojudice 5y ago
I thought it was https://ncase.me/loopy/ https://ncase.me/loopy/ pro version. I would love if there was a pro version to better demonstrate or simulate feedback loops
codeptualize 5y ago
Wow that looks really cool! I was watching the demo from Dub FX, really cool how it hooks up to the APC40, now I want to try it out. (Although I'm pretty sure it will be a bit disappointing as my music skills are less great haha) Very reasonable priced btw, audio stuff is usually stupidly expensive, but this seems fair.
comboy 5y ago
Can anybody who used "new" loops interface in Logic say how it compares? I like not reinventing my workflows.
rhizome 5y ago
I only jumped around to get the gist, so I apologize if he goes over this: is the musician restricted to a measure length configured for a particular track-as-a-whole? Can you have loops of arbitrary length, quantizing or not as you see fit? I imagine this might break the automatic loop detection, but just from a polyrhythmic standpoint it's nice to have the ability for some parts not to be locked to the same time signature.
- pacbard 5y ago
  The reviewer shows a setting for it. By default, each track loops on its own. You can toggle a setting to link tracks and make them play together (I forget how it’s called).
emptybottle 5y ago
Does loopy pro have a retrospective looper? By retrospective looper I mean can it loop audio after it happens, as opposed to punching in? I learned about this approach using https://endlesss.fm https://endlesss.fm and have been looking for a standalone version ever since.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  Yes. There's a video on their site that's about an hour that is a pretty effective demo.
yata69420 5y ago
Loopy is pretty cool. The dude who wrote it (Michael Tyson) is also behind https://audiob.us/ https://audiob.us/ and https://theamazingaudioengine.com/ https://theamazingaudioengine.com/ and was really early and influential to the iOS audio scene. Definitely worth checking out.
metadat 5y ago
Is it related in spirit to the Fruity Loops of y'ore? Or only in name?
- recursive 5y ago
  I don't think FL is really strong on live performances.
  - tomc1985 5y ago
    They added a ton of features for live performances a while back, and the playlist window context menu has a whole submenu for live performance settings. Though the only thing I see in photos of live performances is Ableton
Razengan 5y ago
I don’t like how the app immediately asks for microphone access on first launch and instantly starts using the mic. What the hell?
- alin23 5y ago
  Well, it’s the main functionality of the app, it records loops. What would you expect it to do?

150 points by alin23 5y ago

As the creator of zenAud.io I'd like to congratulate you for this super cool app. I wish you all the best with your release :)

bryans 5y ago
Are you aware that your website is currently compromised and redirecting to malware?
- wsinks 5y ago
  I'm not OP, but just confirming that their site does go to the unexpected.
- jcims 5y ago
  Probably not. Most of that type of malware takes additional measures to avoid detection by the site maintainers.

maxwell_xander 5y ago

clajiness 5y ago
nice. thanks for the recommendation. i like her sound, so that's an instant sub.
- breakfastduck 5y ago
  Yep just came back to comment after checking it out. Not sure why comment has been flagged... I'd say a reccomendation of that type is likely to interest people checking out a looping DAW. Really nice sound, subscribed.
  - wsinks 5y ago
    who was it? I don't think I can see a flagged comment
    - maxwell_xander 5y ago
      ANNI. The specific video I linked to doesn't involve much live looping, but here is one of her vids that does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgNDY2qKZGo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgNDY2qKZGo I'm quite a fan
  - maxwell_xander 5y ago
    I suppose since my name is green, and I said I'm shilling, and linked to Youtube, someone assumed it was some autospam promotion bot thing.

andybak 5y ago

Curious if there's a HN specific angle? I'm fascinated by this category but especially if there's a UI innovation.

archagon 5y ago
Well, Michael Tyson has been in the iOS audio space for a long time (releasing a number of ubiquitously used frameworks and apps in the process), and has been working on this particular project for almost a decade IIRC.
smcnally 5y ago
There are very clever contextual UI / UX features, gestures for fine-grain control of faders, levels, balance. JP Music UK video from LoopyPro.com https://youtu.be/zz2Ggzd1QDo https://youtu.be/zz2Ggzd1QDo

gmcerveny 5y ago

Fantastic to see Michael Tyson releasing this update. I've relied on his contributions to iOS music app development tools (the amazing audio engine, audiobus, the spectacular sync engine) throughout my career. Of particular note is the custom yearly / keep forever pricing model he is trying with this release.

I_am_tiberius 5y ago

Ok, I clicked the link because I thought there is a new trackball available.

eweise 5y ago

Really cool UI

can16358p 5y ago

I love this honest and straight model of purchase regarding a 7-day trial and one time purchase with 12 months updates, while letting the user keep whatever they have or upgrade only if they want to. Will give it a try.

wsinks 5y ago
That was my biggest takeaway as well, I thought that was really interesting!
alin23 5y ago
Yep, I feel it's the best of both worlds between subscription and one-time purchase, while also supporting the dev when a high-effort upgrade is needed. I've done the same for Lunar (https://lunar.fyi https://lunar.fyi) but people were very confused at first and didn't understand the model. I had to respond with "It's not a subscription." and a lengthy description of how it works more than I'd have liked to.
mortenjorck 5y ago
It's honestly a breath of fresh air. I wish Apple made it easier for developers to adopt this business model instead of having to choose between an unsustainable one-time purchase and an unpalatable rent-forever subscription. I wonder how much work went into building the framework to enable a "subscription to new features" on iOS. Perhaps it's even something the developer might be interested in open-sourcing so more developers can go this route?
- rhizome 5y ago
  I don't know how the purchasing gets set up, but couldn't all of these just be separate products? 7-day trial, permanent version license, upgrades for two years...all with different prices? Does Apple prevent you from applying more than one to a single app or something?
  - TheJoeMan 5y ago
    Because the 12 months are from purchase date not development cycle, so you’d have to track features available to each user.

iamcreasy 5y ago

Is it correct to say that Loopy Pro is a DAW for iOS devices?

mortenjorck 5y ago
Not a conventional one, but it checks the boxes of recording audio on multiple tracks and the ability to edit on a linear timeline (in song mode), plus the ability to host plugins. Like Ableton Live, it's both a DAW and an improvisation/performance environment. One common DAW feature it lacks (that many, including Ableton, also lacked in the early days) is MIDI sequencing, but it's on their roadmap.

SloopJon 5y ago

I bought Loopy HD several years ago after seeing Jimmy Fallon and Billy Joel use it for "The Lion Sleeps Tonight." YouTube has some slide shows with audio, but I can't find a video that shows Jimmy using the app. I can't say that I've used the app to as good effect.

realo 5y ago
Here you go: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/jimmy-fallon-tonight-show-billy-joel-doo-wop-the-lion-sleeps-tonight/80333/?amp https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/ji...

dlojudice 5y ago

I thought it was https://ncase.me/loopy/ https://ncase.me/loopy/ pro version. I would love if there was a pro version to better demonstrate or simulate feedback loops

codeptualize 5y ago

Wow that looks really cool! I was watching the demo from Dub FX, really cool how it hooks up to the APC40, now I want to try it out. (Although I'm pretty sure it will be a bit disappointing as my music skills are less great haha) Very reasonable priced btw, audio stuff is usually stupidly expensive, but this seems fair.

comboy 5y ago

Can anybody who used "new" loops interface in Logic say how it compares? I like not reinventing my workflows.

rhizome 5y ago

I only jumped around to get the gist, so I apologize if he goes over this: is the musician restricted to a measure length configured for a particular track-as-a-whole? Can you have loops of arbitrary length, quantizing or not as you see fit? I imagine this might break the automatic loop detection, but just from a polyrhythmic standpoint it's nice to have the ability for some parts not to be locked to the same time signature.

pacbard 5y ago
The reviewer shows a setting for it. By default, each track loops on its own. You can toggle a setting to link tracks and make them play together (I forget how it’s called).

emptybottle 5y ago

Does loopy pro have a retrospective looper? By retrospective looper I mean can it loop audio after it happens, as opposed to punching in? I learned about this approach using https://endlesss.fm https://endlesss.fm and have been looking for a standalone version ever since.

LegitShady 5y ago
Yes. There's a video on their site that's about an hour that is a pretty effective demo.

yata69420 5y ago

Loopy is pretty cool. The dude who wrote it (Michael Tyson) is also behind https://audiob.us/ https://audiob.us/ and https://theamazingaudioengine.com/ https://theamazingaudioengine.com/ and was really early and influential to the iOS audio scene. Definitely worth checking out.

metadat 5y ago

Is it related in spirit to the Fruity Loops of y'ore? Or only in name?

recursive 5y ago
I don't think FL is really strong on live performances.
- tomc1985 5y ago
  They added a ton of features for live performances a while back, and the playlist window context menu has a whole submenu for live performance settings. Though the only thing I see in photos of live performances is Ableton

Razengan 5y ago

I don’t like how the app immediately asks for microphone access on first launch and instantly starts using the mic. What the hell?

alin23 5y ago
Well, it’s the main functionality of the app, it records loops. What would you expect it to do?