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There are many legal recourses because their are rules about being part of the EU. They can also threaten to drop susidizies and to kick them out. I'm actuall
by jollybean 5y ago
There are many legal recourses because their are rules about being part of the EU.
They can also threaten to drop susidizies and to kick them out.
I'm actually hugely wary of EU interfering in state affairs, because the EU is not some 'magical good guy' - they're just usually 'somewhat gooder'.
In particular, Poland refuted the ECJ as having ultimate authority over local courts, the EU threw a huge fuss - but Poland has substantial backing for that: there is nothing in the treaties which indicate ECJ has said authority. At the very same time, the issue is not resolved even in Germany, and the German high courts are thinking of pressing a case. Since Germany is the 'centre of the EU' - and - there are gaping holes in the true legal authority of the ECJ for certain things, it's not a war that the EU wants to get into. It could tear a mile wide hole in the legal fabric of the EU. That said: I wish the would do it because the situation is unconscionable and almost nobody is aware of it.
Using Pegasus to spy on political opponents however, is a bridge way, way too far. Poland is not going to have a leg to stand on either moral, populist, legal, treaty etc. - there's just no argument they can make.
I think the EU should put a lot of heft behind this issue though.
Finally, bit of a caveat, it could be that other EU states are using the same or similar tech to do 'similar kinds of things' - those EU states are not going to want to be embarrassed by public knowledge or airing of that. So that could be a problem.
- MiroF 5y ago> I'm actually hugely wary of EU interfering in state affairs, because the EU is not some 'magical good guy' - they're just usually 'somewhat gooder'. I trust the French/German political tradition a lot more than I trust Poland's
- krzyk 5y agoI trust UK more (they didn't wave white flags like crazy nor they didn't start two world wars). It is a pity they are out now.
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- iam-TJ 5y agoAs a Brit and in the interest of accuracy, Britain declared war on Germany both in 1914 [0] and 1939 [1] after an ultimatum to Germany expired. So technically 'we' did "start" the WORLD WARs (if we hadn't declared war it is debatable war would have spread to the rest of the world (at least immediately)). [0] 23:00 August 4th 1914, in response to the invasion of Belgium by Germany. [1] 11:00 September 3rd 1939, in response to the invasion of Poland by Germany.
- dahfizz 5y agoWhy draw the line of causation there? That seems a bit ridiculous. France had issued the same ultimatum, and declared war just a few hours later. Both France and Britian were obligated by treaty to defend Poland. Germany started the conflict, and knew full well that they would force other countries to get involved. To claim otherwise is counter-factual. If you punch a police officer in his face, and his partner knocks you out, you can't claim the partner started the fight.