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> That billions of equipment and resources provided by the woke cabala? Hundreds of millions are spent worldwide on endowments for universities to push this sp

> That billions of equipment and resources provided by the woke cabala? Hundreds of millions are spent worldwide on endowments for universities to push this specific agenda. So, yes, I wouldn't find it surprising if the movie makers are sponsored, too. Now, it's clear why US army would want a positive optics. But who's to benefit from, say, Tajiks internalizing the "oppression scale"?

4ggr0 5y ago
What exactly does this woke agenda push, if I may ask?
- NikolaNovak 5y ago
  >>What exactly does this woke agenda push, if I may ask? I don't know anymore. In some circles / historically it is used to denote liberal/progressive agenda. It's sometimes (often?) meant to be negative/slur, just like some people will use "Socialist!!!" believing it a derogatory term. However, increasingly it's used as generic term in various conspiracy circles - "Wake up to the truth!" transmogrified to "Woke!". So Woke will be claimed by those who understand the truth about Illuminati/Freemasons/Rothchilds/Vaccines/5G/EM/Israel/etcetcetc. So between whatever original use there may have been designed, vs today's actual usage on the interwebs, I don't personally find it a useful nomenclature that I can interpret on its own with any degree of confidence. 90% of the time I find it in short rambling sentences of the format of either "Their pushing their fascist woke agenda!!!" or "be woke, don't be sheeple". I generally don't find the term used in any discussion that ends up being in any way productive or enlightening. (note also my experience that, anybody using it, in any of the above and myriad other senses/terms, will strongly believe their is the only obvious correct usage and resent the notion that there's lack of clarity)
  - 4ggr0 5y ago
    I don't have anything to add to this, but you elaborately replied to me so I think you also deserve a reply - I agree with your comment 100%.
- Levitz 5y ago
  Hard to answer, you might as well ask "what exactly does this not very defined group want?". Let's take feminism for example, which is generally considered as pertaining to woke culture, what do feminists want? Well you have sex-positive feminists, sex-negative feminists, you've got the ones that want to legalize sex work, the ones who don't, abortion at every stage no matter the circumstance, abortion in hospitals depending on term, trans inclusive, trans exclusive, men inclusive, men exclusive, men-can-only-be-allies... And I'm not even mentioning different waves of feminism. It's hard to nail down what it pushes, exactly, but I'd say that a focus on identity politics as opposed to economic issues is a constant. A character existing solely because of their identity, disregarding if it adds anything is, I'd say, peak wokeism. And I've no doubt many will disagree with that, as some others will with any other take.
  - 4ggr0 5y ago
    To add to your points, as much as people may use identity politics to realize their interests, I think we should not forget the people who label simple and needed social changes as identity politics and peak wokeism, just because they disagree with said changes. As an example, some people think that showing homosexual people in media is part of some wokeist agenda, just virtue signalling and an act of identity politics. I guess to sum it up, we should probably stop using such general terms and just explain what we think in a couple of sentences. I guess that's where Twitter can be blamed a bit, when you don't have the space to thoroughly explain what you think, you have to resort to abbrevations and single words, in turn making it more confusing for everyone.
  - tomp 5y ago
    Typical moat-and-bailey pro-woke argument. Can you list any media (mainstream news, or Hollywood) that are promoting sex-negative or trans exclusive views? There is no discussion or dissenting views allowed for most “woke” people.
    - quacked 5y ago
      Fox News in the US. I agree mostly with your point that the film industry and the majority of print and cable news falls in line with progressive/leftist/"woke" talking points, but Fox is an absolutely massive propaganda vehicle with dozens of millions of daily viewers. They regularly promote trans-exclusive views.
- ashwagary 5y ago
  - bequanna 5y ago
    > you might be racist Please stop this. Every instance of someone referencing something that originated from a culture other than their own is not "appropriation" or "racism".
    - otterley 5y ago
      They're not talking about mere referencing, though. The problem is one of intentional redefinition in an attempt to counteract a movement. And indeed, the motivation for doing so is often racism.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    "Woke" is a word, which describes/refers to a concept. The use of the word may be culturally and temporally specific (and that usage, like all use of language, may change over time), but the concept is one found in many different cultures and communities across time and space - put simply and broadly, the notion that one needs to "wake up" or "awaken" to what is actually happening. There are ways of describing this in many different languages. So while the current use of the word "woke" within the US may indeed be traced back to the African American community, the concept/idea has a much longer and broader history than that.
    - ashwagary 5y ago
      White supremacists are specifically attacking the 'black liberation' definition because it gained a worrying amount of traction among the global youth and the ruling class is not happy about that. It's not a coincidence that the establishment in other major genocidal powers (ZA, AU, and UK) jumped on the anti-woke train early on to assist the US in fighting/redefining the concept. Reminds me of a quote from a history prof, "The main problem with black history is it exposes too much of the fraud in white history... "
  - 5y ago
- SuoDuanDao 5y ago
  "Woke" is simply the left's word for what the right calls 'Redpilled'. In both subcultures it means 'a recognition of some fundamental truth that does not bring joy'. Done well, it can be a vehicle for criticising one's own culture in a constructive way. Done poorly, it can be a vehicle for oikophobia and gatekeeping, a means of distinguishing oneself from the naively patriotic proletariate.
  - shkkmo 5y ago
    This seems absolutely incorrect.
    - 4ggr0 5y ago
      Seems strange to me, too. Red Pilled is used in contexts where someone starts seeing the hidden truth the elites want to hide from them etc. Woke in my experience is more used to describe progressive people and their opinions, without having anything to do with some hidden secrets or other such things.
      - wolverine876 5y ago
        The hidden secret is the life - the oppressive discrimination - many minorities, especially black persons, have been experiencing for generations, without most white people being aware of it. When you take that red pill, when you are open to the facts, it is shocking what has been happening right under our noses. You can't unsee it. A simple suggestion: Just talk about it with people who are black; if you don't know many, you can see how the blue pill world is created. > Woke in my experience is more used to describe progressive people and their opinions Like any hot cultural term, it has become loaded with plenty of other meaning. However, to a degree I think you are talking about the reactionaries' use of the word, which they have adopted to politicize it - to use their endless (and successful) rhetorical technique of attacking the messenger; of saying 'it's just liberals' to shift the discussion from the actual problem, racism. For example, you can see the same technique used for climate change.
        5y ago

4ggr0 5y ago

What exactly does this woke agenda push, if I may ask?

NikolaNovak 5y ago
>>What exactly does this woke agenda push, if I may ask? I don't know anymore. In some circles / historically it is used to denote liberal/progressive agenda. It's sometimes (often?) meant to be negative/slur, just like some people will use "Socialist!!!" believing it a derogatory term. However, increasingly it's used as generic term in various conspiracy circles - "Wake up to the truth!" transmogrified to "Woke!". So Woke will be claimed by those who understand the truth about Illuminati/Freemasons/Rothchilds/Vaccines/5G/EM/Israel/etcetcetc. So between whatever original use there may have been designed, vs today's actual usage on the interwebs, I don't personally find it a useful nomenclature that I can interpret on its own with any degree of confidence. 90% of the time I find it in short rambling sentences of the format of either "Their pushing their fascist woke agenda!!!" or "be woke, don't be sheeple". I generally don't find the term used in any discussion that ends up being in any way productive or enlightening. (note also my experience that, anybody using it, in any of the above and myriad other senses/terms, will strongly believe their is the only obvious correct usage and resent the notion that there's lack of clarity)
- 4ggr0 5y ago
  I don't have anything to add to this, but you elaborately replied to me so I think you also deserve a reply - I agree with your comment 100%.
Levitz 5y ago
Hard to answer, you might as well ask "what exactly does this not very defined group want?". Let's take feminism for example, which is generally considered as pertaining to woke culture, what do feminists want? Well you have sex-positive feminists, sex-negative feminists, you've got the ones that want to legalize sex work, the ones who don't, abortion at every stage no matter the circumstance, abortion in hospitals depending on term, trans inclusive, trans exclusive, men inclusive, men exclusive, men-can-only-be-allies... And I'm not even mentioning different waves of feminism. It's hard to nail down what it pushes, exactly, but I'd say that a focus on identity politics as opposed to economic issues is a constant. A character existing solely because of their identity, disregarding if it adds anything is, I'd say, peak wokeism. And I've no doubt many will disagree with that, as some others will with any other take.
- 4ggr0 5y ago
  To add to your points, as much as people may use identity politics to realize their interests, I think we should not forget the people who label simple and needed social changes as identity politics and peak wokeism, just because they disagree with said changes. As an example, some people think that showing homosexual people in media is part of some wokeist agenda, just virtue signalling and an act of identity politics. I guess to sum it up, we should probably stop using such general terms and just explain what we think in a couple of sentences. I guess that's where Twitter can be blamed a bit, when you don't have the space to thoroughly explain what you think, you have to resort to abbrevations and single words, in turn making it more confusing for everyone.
- tomp 5y ago
  Typical moat-and-bailey pro-woke argument. Can you list any media (mainstream news, or Hollywood) that are promoting sex-negative or trans exclusive views? There is no discussion or dissenting views allowed for most “woke” people.
  - quacked 5y ago
    Fox News in the US. I agree mostly with your point that the film industry and the majority of print and cable news falls in line with progressive/leftist/"woke" talking points, but Fox is an absolutely massive propaganda vehicle with dozens of millions of daily viewers. They regularly promote trans-exclusive views.
ashwagary 5y ago
- bequanna 5y ago
  > you might be racist Please stop this. Every instance of someone referencing something that originated from a culture other than their own is not "appropriation" or "racism".
  - otterley 5y ago
    They're not talking about mere referencing, though. The problem is one of intentional redefinition in an attempt to counteract a movement. And indeed, the motivation for doing so is often racism.
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  "Woke" is a word, which describes/refers to a concept. The use of the word may be culturally and temporally specific (and that usage, like all use of language, may change over time), but the concept is one found in many different cultures and communities across time and space - put simply and broadly, the notion that one needs to "wake up" or "awaken" to what is actually happening. There are ways of describing this in many different languages. So while the current use of the word "woke" within the US may indeed be traced back to the African American community, the concept/idea has a much longer and broader history than that.
  - ashwagary 5y ago
    White supremacists are specifically attacking the 'black liberation' definition because it gained a worrying amount of traction among the global youth and the ruling class is not happy about that. It's not a coincidence that the establishment in other major genocidal powers (ZA, AU, and UK) jumped on the anti-woke train early on to assist the US in fighting/redefining the concept. Reminds me of a quote from a history prof, "The main problem with black history is it exposes too much of the fraud in white history... "
- 5y ago
SuoDuanDao 5y ago
"Woke" is simply the left's word for what the right calls 'Redpilled'. In both subcultures it means 'a recognition of some fundamental truth that does not bring joy'. Done well, it can be a vehicle for criticising one's own culture in a constructive way. Done poorly, it can be a vehicle for oikophobia and gatekeeping, a means of distinguishing oneself from the naively patriotic proletariate.
- shkkmo 5y ago
  This seems absolutely incorrect.
  - 4ggr0 5y ago
    Seems strange to me, too. Red Pilled is used in contexts where someone starts seeing the hidden truth the elites want to hide from them etc. Woke in my experience is more used to describe progressive people and their opinions, without having anything to do with some hidden secrets or other such things.
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      The hidden secret is the life - the oppressive discrimination - many minorities, especially black persons, have been experiencing for generations, without most white people being aware of it. When you take that red pill, when you are open to the facts, it is shocking what has been happening right under our noses. You can't unsee it. A simple suggestion: Just talk about it with people who are black; if you don't know many, you can see how the blue pill world is created. > Woke in my experience is more used to describe progressive people and their opinions Like any hot cultural term, it has become loaded with plenty of other meaning. However, to a degree I think you are talking about the reactionaries' use of the word, which they have adopted to politicize it - to use their endless (and successful) rhetorical technique of attacking the messenger; of saying 'it's just liberals' to shift the discussion from the actual problem, racism. For example, you can see the same technique used for climate change.
      - 5y ago