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What a Shipwreck’s Tree Rings Reveal

jackfoxy 5y ago
- klyrs 5y ago
  Is it taboo to even mention facts of history in such neutral terms? Is that not what the ships were used for? And if that's virtue signalling, then what precisely do you intend to signal here?
- gerald_yo 5y ago
  Does it distract from the article?
- ___q 5y ago
  What virtue are they "signalling?" Do you know what the Dutch East India Company was or that it resulted in several colonies? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Former_settlements_and_colonies_of_the_Dutch_East_India_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Former_settlements_an... It appears in the subheading because it's relevant to the article > Knowing more about these timbers helps us understand the Dutch success in world trade
meristohm 5y ago
I learned that one type of wood was used for below the waterline (slower-growing timber from further north) and a different type above. I’ve done enough woodwork to think I have a feeling for the task of building an ocean-going vessel, and I hope that knowledge stays alive. I’m curious about how Polynesian voyagers made their boats, and I’m guessing those methods were more sustainable over millennia. Craft doesn’t exist on its own without culture; what is it about the dominant European approaches that has lead to what feels like a runaway explosion rather than the long, slow burn of human history?
- klyrs 5y ago
  I learned about some research into this recently. It sounds like New Zealand was set ablaze by its first settlers, to clear the land, and that had a significant impact on climate https://insideclimatenews.org/news/20102021/ancient-lndigenous-fires-newzealand-climate/ https://insideclimatenews.org/news/20102021/ancient-lndigeno...
- pjc50 5y ago
  See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-Tiki_expedition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-Tiki_expedition > dominant European approaches that has lead to what feels like a runaway explosion rather than the long, slow burn of human history? This is why mentioning colonialism is not irrelevant to the article, because it seems like the Polynesian development was not quite so rooted in thousands of years of invasion support or ship-to-ship combat, which encouraged escalation.

klyrs 5y ago
Is it taboo to even mention facts of history in such neutral terms? Is that not what the ships were used for? And if that's virtue signalling, then what precisely do you intend to signal here?
gerald_yo 5y ago
Does it distract from the article?
___q 5y ago
What virtue are they "signalling?" Do you know what the Dutch East India Company was or that it resulted in several colonies? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Former_settlements_and_colonies_of_the_Dutch_East_India_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Former_settlements_an... It appears in the subheading because it's relevant to the article > Knowing more about these timbers helps us understand the Dutch success in world trade

I learned that one type of wood was used for below the waterline (slower-growing timber from further north) and a different type above. I’ve done enough woodwork to think I have a feeling for the task of building an ocean-going vessel, and I hope that knowledge stays alive. I’m curious about how Polynesian voyagers made their boats, and I’m guessing those methods were more sustainable over millennia. Craft doesn’t exist on its own without culture; what is it about the dominant European approaches that has lead to what feels like a runaway explosion rather than the long, slow burn of human history?

klyrs 5y ago
I learned about some research into this recently. It sounds like New Zealand was set ablaze by its first settlers, to clear the land, and that had a significant impact on climate https://insideclimatenews.org/news/20102021/ancient-lndigenous-fires-newzealand-climate/ https://insideclimatenews.org/news/20102021/ancient-lndigeno...
pjc50 5y ago
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-Tiki_expedition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-Tiki_expedition > dominant European approaches that has lead to what feels like a runaway explosion rather than the long, slow burn of human history? This is why mentioning colonialism is not irrelevant to the article, because it seems like the Polynesian development was not quite so rooted in thousands of years of invasion support or ship-to-ship combat, which encouraged escalation.