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Are you intentionally missing the point? There are no passengers. They are planning to burn 100s of thousands of tons of CO2 because of a rule that is not takin

by mrpopo 5y ago

Are you intentionally missing the point? There are no passengers. They are planning to burn 100s of thousands of tons of CO2 because of a rule that is not taking into account unprecedented situations like the one we are living now. It is fixable, that's why it's important to share this information, and that's why Belgium’s mobility minister has written to the European Commission to demand a law change (per the article). But no, that's not how it should be.

quantified 5y ago
I don’t think I’m missing the point, I think the point is a bit different. They’re flying empty planes because they want to keep gates away from other airlines. That’s on them. They don’t need to fly the planes. The real story is “Lufhansa plans to waste massive carbon to prevent competition.” They’re not the innocent bystander here.
- kjaftaedi 5y ago
  This is not how it works at all. Slots are extremely valuable, they are highly regulated because they are in such demand. These aren't just things you take and leave at random.
  - DarkWiiPlayer 5y ago
    > Slots are extremely valuable Well, the reality that they have to fly empty kind of contradicts this.
    - kjaftaedi 5y ago
      These aren't items that are bought and sold. If you give up your slot, you can not buy it back at any price. Now your have to re-route your whole airline network. The value is in terms of not bankrupting your company.
      - quantified 5y ago
        Businesses come and go. I admit I don’t know how many gates Lufthansa acquired when competitors went out of business or were acquired by them, how many have been theirs since each terminal opened. Since in the past they were smaller, it is obvious that gates are something that can be acquired. Maybe not on the ideal schedule, but such is life. Brussels Airport has plenty of expansion planned. Airports get bigger over time, not smaller.
  - quantified 5y ago
    And if an airline that actually has passengers gets the slots, that’s worthwhile. That Brussels would give unused slots to someone else that lacks passengers too would be a silly thing, the kind of silly thing that’s all too likely too. I’m not saying it’s a good rule to have at this juncture. But what’s good for Lufthansa is not necessarily good for the world. Inspire is a better word than force. Or choose. Burning money to keep competitors away from resources is anti-competitive.

by mrpopo 5y ago

quantified 5y ago

I don’t think I’m missing the point, I think the point is a bit different. They’re flying empty planes because they want to keep gates away from other airlines. That’s on them. They don’t need to fly the planes. The real story is “Lufhansa plans to waste massive carbon to prevent competition.” They’re not the innocent bystander here.

kjaftaedi 5y ago
This is not how it works at all. Slots are extremely valuable, they are highly regulated because they are in such demand. These aren't just things you take and leave at random.
- DarkWiiPlayer 5y ago
  > Slots are extremely valuable Well, the reality that they have to fly empty kind of contradicts this.
  - kjaftaedi 5y ago
    These aren't items that are bought and sold. If you give up your slot, you can not buy it back at any price. Now your have to re-route your whole airline network. The value is in terms of not bankrupting your company.
    - quantified 5y ago
      Businesses come and go. I admit I don’t know how many gates Lufthansa acquired when competitors went out of business or were acquired by them, how many have been theirs since each terminal opened. Since in the past they were smaller, it is obvious that gates are something that can be acquired. Maybe not on the ideal schedule, but such is life. Brussels Airport has plenty of expansion planned. Airports get bigger over time, not smaller.
- quantified 5y ago
  And if an airline that actually has passengers gets the slots, that’s worthwhile. That Brussels would give unused slots to someone else that lacks passengers too would be a silly thing, the kind of silly thing that’s all too likely too. I’m not saying it’s a good rule to have at this juncture. But what’s good for Lufthansa is not necessarily good for the world. Inspire is a better word than force. Or choose. Burning money to keep competitors away from resources is anti-competitive.