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> effectively zero harm What? There’s multiple studies showing the risk of a young boy between 16-24 developing myocarditis is higher than their risk of gettin

> effectively zero harm What? There’s multiple studies showing the risk of a young boy between 16-24 developing myocarditis is higher than their risk of getting hospitalized from Covid. And this myocarditis risk rises based on the interval between first and second dose, rises for each dose, is even higher for Moderna. Also for men under 40, the risks of developing myocarditis from the shots is higher than the risk of myocarditis from Covid. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v... Is makes absolutely no sense to mandate the shots for any young person, especially if they are fit and healthy.

joshuamorton 5y ago
Something like 95% of people who get myocarditis from the vaccine will have it resolve on their own in a month. There have been 8 myocarditis related vaccine deaths total. Further, myocarditis isn't the only risk from covid (not is death), so your overall risk of serious (long term) complications is higher from covid than the vaccine. I'm I man under 30, and got my (Moderna) booster. It was an easy choice.
- busymom0 5y ago
  It being an easy choice for you has nothing to do with whether it should be mandated for everyone. You are making bald speculative comments about long term complications when the vaccines have had zero long term studies. Myocarditis is not a non serious issue. We are talking about heart inflammation of young and healthy people who have negligible risks from Covid. In Ontario, 70% of myocarditis required hospitalization. When there’s a risk, there must be a choice.
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    > Myocarditis is not a non serious issue. We are talking about heart inflammation of young and healthy people who have negligible risks from Covid. Myocarditis that resolves itself in a month is not a long term serious issue. > when the vaccines have had zero long term studies. Yes they have. Or do you mean irrelevant decade long studies that are incapable of detecting anything due to how the vaccines work? The vaccine will fully exit your system after only a few days, leaving only the spike protein. In other words, any impact from the vaccine after a week or so will be strictly less severe than covid. > In Ontario, 70% of myocarditis required hospitalization The only data I can find related to Ontario is actually a us CDC source that agrees with me going further and saying that 95% of the myocarditis that resulted in hospitalizations fully resolved in under a week. That is to say, 95% of serious vac related myocarditis resulted in no long term impacts. > When there’s a risk, there must be a choice. And unvaccinated people pose a greater risk to everyone else. What's our choice? What choice do people who have a heart attack or need surgery on a tumor get when hospitals are full of disproportionately many umvaxxed covid patients.
liamwestray 5y ago
Do you even know what myocarditis is? Do you understand that even young people are 100 times more likely to suffer from CoViD-19 induced myocarditis than from the vaccine? Here’s a Nature article explaining the risks of it: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-021-00662-w https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-021-00662-w Stop reading social media and antivax propaganda before you get someone killed with your ignorance.
- peteradio 5y ago
  Unless you have specific knowledge that someone is ignorantly passing on an active infection I urge you to quit making accusations about death related to stochastic events, its pointlessly inflammatory and quite baseless.
  - liamwestray 5y ago
    Read her posts and linked studies. Every single one is a misrepresentation or misinterpretation or misquote.
- busymom0 5y ago
  I do not think you read the study I linked to in my comment. Men under 40 are more likely to suffer from vaccine induced myocarditis than from the infection. Your linked article does a population average and not specifically for men under 40. Please stop using inflammatory language like you did at the end of your comment.
- mbg721 5y ago
  And if they've already had COVID, let's just vax vax vax anyway? I'd rather take my chances with busymom's ignorance than the CDC's knowledge.

joshuamorton 5y ago

Something like 95% of people who get myocarditis from the vaccine will have it resolve on their own in a month. There have been 8 myocarditis related vaccine deaths total. Further, myocarditis isn't the only risk from covid (not is death), so your overall risk of serious (long term) complications is higher from covid than the vaccine. I'm I man under 30, and got my (Moderna) booster. It was an easy choice.

busymom0 5y ago
It being an easy choice for you has nothing to do with whether it should be mandated for everyone. You are making bald speculative comments about long term complications when the vaccines have had zero long term studies. Myocarditis is not a non serious issue. We are talking about heart inflammation of young and healthy people who have negligible risks from Covid. In Ontario, 70% of myocarditis required hospitalization. When there’s a risk, there must be a choice.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  > Myocarditis is not a non serious issue. We are talking about heart inflammation of young and healthy people who have negligible risks from Covid. Myocarditis that resolves itself in a month is not a long term serious issue. > when the vaccines have had zero long term studies. Yes they have. Or do you mean irrelevant decade long studies that are incapable of detecting anything due to how the vaccines work? The vaccine will fully exit your system after only a few days, leaving only the spike protein. In other words, any impact from the vaccine after a week or so will be strictly less severe than covid. > In Ontario, 70% of myocarditis required hospitalization The only data I can find related to Ontario is actually a us CDC source that agrees with me going further and saying that 95% of the myocarditis that resulted in hospitalizations fully resolved in under a week. That is to say, 95% of serious vac related myocarditis resulted in no long term impacts. > When there’s a risk, there must be a choice. And unvaccinated people pose a greater risk to everyone else. What's our choice? What choice do people who have a heart attack or need surgery on a tumor get when hospitals are full of disproportionately many umvaxxed covid patients.

liamwestray 5y ago

Do you even know what myocarditis is? Do you understand that even young people are 100 times more likely to suffer from CoViD-19 induced myocarditis than from the vaccine? Here’s a Nature article explaining the risks of it: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-021-00662-w https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-021-00662-w Stop reading social media and antivax propaganda before you get someone killed with your ignorance.

peteradio 5y ago
Unless you have specific knowledge that someone is ignorantly passing on an active infection I urge you to quit making accusations about death related to stochastic events, its pointlessly inflammatory and quite baseless.
- liamwestray 5y ago
  Read her posts and linked studies. Every single one is a misrepresentation or misinterpretation or misquote.
busymom0 5y ago
I do not think you read the study I linked to in my comment. Men under 40 are more likely to suffer from vaccine induced myocarditis than from the infection. Your linked article does a population average and not specifically for men under 40. Please stop using inflammatory language like you did at the end of your comment.
mbg721 5y ago
And if they've already had COVID, let's just vax vax vax anyway? I'd rather take my chances with busymom's ignorance than the CDC's knowledge.