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I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda than it was ever then, except that wokeism is the theme of the day. In some inst
by cm2187 5y ago
I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda than it was ever then, except that wokeism is the theme of the day. In some instances it has completely taken over the plot, like in the last season of Fargo, to the point of becoming some sort of unwatcheable catechism.
- dgb23 5y agoYou are contrasting “wokeism” to military and secret agencies propaganda of a nation that has been warring, invading and coordinating coups for almost a hundred years?
- stackedinserter 5y ago"Wokeism" is just another way to practice racism, sexism, limit freedoms and to divide society in very damaging way. It eventually will lead us into tyranny and all these bad thing that you have mentioned.
- dgb23 5y agoIn this case we probably shouldn't distract a discussion about war propaganda with pointing out wokeism.
- stackedinserter 5y agoWe pointing out aggressive, divisive and intolerant way of thinking that always lead us into bad things.
- dgb23 5y agoI fully agree with you.
- wolverine876 5y agoWhat defines propaganda? The government manipulating people, often without reveling the source, is propaganda. A privately made movie with a point of view is not. You may not agree with the movie's perspective, but that certainly doesn't make it propaganda. What movies are you thinking of?
- tclancy 5y agoWhen was “then”? Post WWII movies were pretty clear about who you were supposed to root for. As it was, ever thus.
- emsign 5y ago> Comparing war propaganda, downplaying of war crimes etc, with a civil rights movement. Wokeism in mass media is big corporations' fear of missing out and losing customers. Those ideals were shared values of the younger generation decades before the industry adapted to it. Now that these kids have grown up, they are valued as consumers.
- throwawaylinux 5y agoNo way, propaganda is only made for, and only affects, the people I disagree with!
- TaylorAlexander 5y ago> I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda I think the past efforts were pretty blatant. I think we just know more about how they operate and so it becomes easier to see. > wokeism Would love to know what this means.
- WaxedChewbacca 5y ago
- vintermann 5y agoSomething like this? https://twitter.com/raytheontech/status/880497266255175685?lang=en https://twitter.com/raytheontech/status/880497266255175685?l... It's not that there's something wrong with gay rights, or any other specific social cause powerful organizations adopt. It's just that it's a very cheap way to win a positive image for things that ... would have trouble getting a positive image if focus was on their core business.
- foldr 5y agoIt's possible to be not totally cynical about this stuff. The CEO of Raytheon might very well genuinely support gay rights. After all, many people do. Also, I don't really see the connection between this tweet and Holywood.
- crate_barre 5y agoEh. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/09/yemen-us-made-bomb-used-in-deadly-air-strike-on-civilians/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/09/yemen-us-made... Raytheon lobbies for Mideast arm sales. In the hierarchy of shit they need to be ethical on, LGBTQ rights is not really top of the list. It’s nice though, nonetheless. No connection to Hollywood of course, Raytheon would love nothing more than war never being mentioned. The more they can sell outside of the US and not have anyone know it’s causing genocide in places like Yemen, the better.
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- pydry 5y agoThere's an additional very blatant theme I've been seeing of "science and engineers are the coolest!" that cropped up in, e.g. The Tomorrow War and another recent military themed US movie whose name I forget. They made me wonder if the army is fretting about its access to STEM skills.
- walshemj 5y agoIts a major problem for armed forces have people with advanced skills are not going to work for NCO pay which is what the higher ups think we are.
- UweSchmidt 5y agoThere might have been some improvements in this area but I still haven't seen any (male) IT guy in a movie who is not portrayed as some kind of weirdo and relegated to the side. Even female nerds are at the very best assisting the hero. TV lawyers and doctors however get to hold jargon-filled monologues and be in lead roles. /rant
- Hokusai 5y ago> wokeism is the theme of the day That billions of equipment and resources provided by the woke cabala? Let's talk about that instead of military covered intervention in society. As a citizen from An USA allied country, I find disturbing how much propaganda the military pushes for at global level. That's a very serious matter.
- smsm42 5y agoNot sure about the equipment, but they definitely have billions as much as money are concerned: https://archive.ph/gNSym https://archive.ph/gNSym The (literal) billions described in the NYT article above are just one aspect of the woke, they have many more. They don't just have the money, they have tons of money.
- janeroe 5y ago> That billions of equipment and resources provided by the woke cabala? Hundreds of millions are spent worldwide on endowments for universities to push this specific agenda. So, yes, I wouldn't find it surprising if the movie makers are sponsored, too. Now, it's clear why US army would want a positive optics. But who's to benefit from, say, Tajiks internalizing the "oppression scale"?
- 4ggr0 5y agoWhat exactly does this woke agenda push, if I may ask?
- NikolaNovak 5y ago>>What exactly does this woke agenda push, if I may ask? I don't know anymore. In some circles / historically it is used to denote liberal/progressive agenda. It's sometimes (often?) meant to be negative/slur, just like some people will use "Socialist!!!" believing it a derogatory term. However, increasingly it's used as generic term in various conspiracy circles - "Wake up to the truth!" transmogrified to "Woke!". So Woke will be claimed by those who understand the truth about Illuminati/Freemasons/Rothchilds/Vaccines/5G/EM/Israel/etcetcetc. So between whatever original use there may have been designed, vs today's actual usage on the interwebs, I don't personally find it a useful nomenclature that I can interpret on its own with any degree of confidence. 90% of the time I find it in short rambling sentences of the format of either "Their pushing their fascist woke agenda!!!" or "be woke, don't be sheeple". I generally don't find the term used in any discussion that ends up being in any way productive or enlightening. (note also my experience that, anybody using it, in any of the above and myriad other senses/terms, will strongly believe their is the only obvious correct usage and resent the notion that there's lack of clarity)
- yosito 5y agoI just watched Don't Look Up on Netflix and the propaganda was so thick it actually made the whole movie painful to watch. I suppose it's naive to think that old movies are propaganda-free. But I find myself missing the narratives I grew up with. The new ones are whiny, cynical and uninspiring. At least the old ones inspired me towards positive things.
- wccrawford 5y agoI'm incredibly anti-Trump and I still fully agree with you. But I don't think the problem was that it was so "thick" so much as that it was so poorly done. Instead of being funny, it just reminded me of school bullies and general idiots, and was far too easy to write to be good satire.
- yosito 5y agoSchool bullies and general idiots is a good way to put it. It felt like it was written by my 7th grade self.
- syspec 5y agoHow was that propaganda?
- AA-BA-94-2A-56 5y agoThe “propaganda” as you call it is called satire, and it’s actually the entire point of the film.
- yosito 5y agoAs it turns out, satire is a tool often used for propaganda.
- AA-BA-94-2A-56 5y agoThe “propaganda” as you call it is called satire, and it’s actually the entire point of the film. Propaganda != opinion that you disagree with