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I really think this kind of record shows its near pointless. It requires a doctor to be nearby and be aware of the incident in order to work. What are the chanc

I really think this kind of record shows its near pointless. It requires a doctor to be nearby and be aware of the incident in order to work. What are the chances of that? So far the record says 1 in 12 but I think they got lucky with that.

pastage 5y ago
One in ten survives so if 2% extra survives because of this the it worth it. You are right to some extent the time limits are so extreme, 10 min after the heart attack and no one surives. According to the article the wife had not called emergancy services when he arrived. I wonder if that is the biggest problem, were we need to educate older people; call fast. https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2021/12/akutlakaren-mustafa-forst-att-radda-liv-vid-hjartstopp-med-dronarhjalp/ https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2021/12/akutlakar...
andretti1977 5y ago
In italy ADE (in italian known as DAE) can be used by anybody: when you call emergency number, they ask you for the problem and if needed, operator suggests you to find an ade. If you can find one nearby, it's the device itself that instructs you how to apply it to the patient and how to use it, by speaking to you and it's super simple even for people that don't have any health or emergency support knowledge. The ade device monitors the patient and decides itself if it must release the charge shock or not (sorry for my english, hope you understand what i mean!). So this is not a useless device and being able to deliver an ade device faster even in places where it would took time to send an ambulance, it's significantly important and personally i'd be more happy to see flying drones equipped with ade than drones equipped with stuffs bought on amazon or somewhere else: that would be a good use of drone technology for our humanity
- schoen 5y ago
  By the way, the English acronym order is "AED". defibrillatore automatico esterno → automated external defibrillator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillat...
  - andretti1977 5y ago
    Right, thank you for the suggestion, i'm gonna edit my comment
codeulike 5y ago
In the UK there are automatic defibrilators all over the place for the public to use. The devices can measure the patients heart rythms and decide when to activate, meanwhile an automated voice tells the rescuer what to do. Map to find public AEDs in the UK: https://www.heartsafe.org.uk/aed-locations https://www.heartsafe.org.uk/aed-locations e.g. in small villages the red phoneboxes that used to have payphones now often contain defibrilators
- isthisnametaken 5y ago
  That map is very incomplete. It's missing at least 3 that I know of where I live.
aaron695 5y ago
andyjohnson0 5y ago
AEDs are designed to be used by people who have no medical knowledge. They typically provide simplified controls with, visual and voice prompts to attach the device to the patient's chest. After that they work automatically. Due to their medical training, the doctor is likely to have done a better job at providing CPR than a random passing member of the public though.

pastage 5y ago

One in ten survives so if 2% extra survives because of this the it worth it. You are right to some extent the time limits are so extreme, 10 min after the heart attack and no one surives. According to the article the wife had not called emergancy services when he arrived. I wonder if that is the biggest problem, were we need to educate older people; call fast. https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2021/12/akutlakaren-mustafa-forst-att-radda-liv-vid-hjartstopp-med-dronarhjalp/ https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2021/12/akutlakar...

andretti1977 5y ago

In italy ADE (in italian known as DAE) can be used by anybody: when you call emergency number, they ask you for the problem and if needed, operator suggests you to find an ade. If you can find one nearby, it's the device itself that instructs you how to apply it to the patient and how to use it, by speaking to you and it's super simple even for people that don't have any health or emergency support knowledge. The ade device monitors the patient and decides itself if it must release the charge shock or not (sorry for my english, hope you understand what i mean!). So this is not a useless device and being able to deliver an ade device faster even in places where it would took time to send an ambulance, it's significantly important and personally i'd be more happy to see flying drones equipped with ade than drones equipped with stuffs bought on amazon or somewhere else: that would be a good use of drone technology for our humanity

schoen 5y ago
By the way, the English acronym order is "AED". defibrillatore automatico esterno → automated external defibrillator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillat...
- andretti1977 5y ago
  Right, thank you for the suggestion, i'm gonna edit my comment

codeulike 5y ago

In the UK there are automatic defibrilators all over the place for the public to use. The devices can measure the patients heart rythms and decide when to activate, meanwhile an automated voice tells the rescuer what to do. Map to find public AEDs in the UK: https://www.heartsafe.org.uk/aed-locations https://www.heartsafe.org.uk/aed-locations e.g. in small villages the red phoneboxes that used to have payphones now often contain defibrilators

isthisnametaken 5y ago
That map is very incomplete. It's missing at least 3 that I know of where I live.

aaron695 5y ago

andyjohnson0 5y ago

AEDs are designed to be used by people who have no medical knowledge. They typically provide simplified controls with, visual and voice prompts to attach the device to the patient's chest. After that they work automatically. Due to their medical training, the doctor is likely to have done a better job at providing CPR than a random passing member of the public though.