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Americans love that stuff though, it’s not necessarily propaganda forced down our throats. We’d still want to see the badass, all American commando on a 100 kil

Americans love that stuff though, it’s not necessarily propaganda forced down our throats. We’d still want to see the badass, all American commando on a 100 kill streak.

xboxnolifes 5y ago
Unpalatable propaganda is pretty shitty propaganda.
systemvoltage 5y ago
If you haven't played Bro Force: https://www.broforcegame.com/ https://www.broforcegame.com/ An extreme caricature of American Military! Amazing game too.
- fvdessen 5y ago
  A ‘caricature’ or ‘glorification’ ?
  - eddyfromtheblok 5y ago
    yes
refurb 5y ago
That’s my understanding. The US military approach is basically “we’ll provide real gear and vehicles as long as your movie doesn’t put us in a negative light”. It’s basically the military getting free advertising in return. I get the sense most blockbuster Hollywood movies fit that bill quite well with minimal edits. The more niche, gritty movies that talk about the unpleasant/controversial events/aspects probably don’t even ask for help. As for the CIA??
panta 5y ago
Couldn't that be a sign that the propaganda has been effective?
- jjk166 5y ago
  This is an example of the logical fallacy petitio principii (begging the question).
  - Dudeman112 5y ago
    Alternatively, it could be taken as a honest question: do they actually want it because of the propaganda, or would they want it regardless of the propaganda? Inferring tone from text is a bitch.
    - jjk166 5y ago
      It's begging the question in either interpretation, hence why you can't really answer the question.
agumonkey 5y ago
My bet is that most groups have this in them. Being right, being the hero. America just had the lead in entertainment and tech
- anthonyshort 5y ago
  In my experience, other countries don't view themselves that way, and it's mostly seen as an Americanism (I'm not American)
  - andi999 5y ago
    Long time ago I heard this joke: Ship is sinking, the captain needs to tell everybody 'women and children first' . So to the british: you are gentlemen, aren't you? To japanese passengers: look what everybody else is doing. To US-American: you guys want to be heros?
  - agumonkey 5y ago
    Maybe to a lesser extent but you can find Indian movies of absurd heroism too. That's what propped me to think America is not very special. Also being a young and rich state probably pushed things to eleven.
    - ido 5y ago
      I wouldn't say "being young" is that relevant after a couple centuries. Nobody in the US today knows someone who witnessed the declaration of independence (unlike, say, in Israel or India).
      - agumonkey 5y ago
        Probably. But I believe there's still a notion that they're new players who got everything right to the top. While other countries have seen peaks and valleys.
  - Hokusai 5y ago
    That is also true for the police. Usually the police is incompetent if you want to be funny, or they are suffering humans. The police as a hero is also USA propaganda.
Yoric 5y ago
Note that Hollywood movies get shown throughout the world, for better or for worse.
pydry 5y ago
Effective propaganda gets internalized.
jgilias 5y ago
Not just Americans. See 'Wolf Warrior', and 'Wolf Warrior 2', currently the second highest-grossing Chinese movie.
- windsignaling 5y ago
  "China bad" is one of the primary goals of western propaganda. Start looking out for any online discussion involving anti-Asian racism / attacks, the housing crisis, etc. and you'll see posts like "but what about the CPP?" and "aren't Asians the most racist against blacks?" https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1474350856476762115?s=12 https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1474350856476762115?...
  - mrkstu 5y ago
    Equating anti-CCP sentiment with anti Asian propaganda is gaslighting. That’s like anti-Putin sentiment being equal to being racist against Slavs.
    - windsignaling 5y ago
      The point is that many speak as if anti-CCP sentiment -justifies- anything which is anti-Asian. In what way is "but CCP bad" an appropriate response to "another old Chinese lady brutally attacked on the street"? Also bold of us to assume the media is honest about the CCP when it is not even honest about domestic politicians.
boomskats 5y ago
I'm not sure about others, but I'm reading this comment with an implied /s
fourtrees 5y ago
Hwæt?! I think it's more than just modern Americans who love(d) heroic war stories. Look at J. Caesar, look at the knightly romances from the Middle Ages -- the latter are especially sanitized, the former were probably bloodied up a bit. The pursuit of that kill streak has been a genre for a really long time. I thought it was common knowledge that the US Government helped it along here and there and has in one medium or another since the beginning. There is a Maldon for every few Beowulfs though.

Americans love that stuff though, it’s not necessarily propaganda forced down our throats. We’d still want to see the badass, all American commando on a 100 kill streak.

xboxnolifes 5y ago

Unpalatable propaganda is pretty shitty propaganda.

systemvoltage 5y ago

If you haven't played Bro Force: https://www.broforcegame.com/ https://www.broforcegame.com/ An extreme caricature of American Military! Amazing game too.

fvdessen 5y ago
A ‘caricature’ or ‘glorification’ ?
- eddyfromtheblok 5y ago
  yes

refurb 5y ago

That’s my understanding. The US military approach is basically “we’ll provide real gear and vehicles as long as your movie doesn’t put us in a negative light”. It’s basically the military getting free advertising in return. I get the sense most blockbuster Hollywood movies fit that bill quite well with minimal edits. The more niche, gritty movies that talk about the unpleasant/controversial events/aspects probably don’t even ask for help. As for the CIA??

panta 5y ago

Couldn't that be a sign that the propaganda has been effective?

jjk166 5y ago
This is an example of the logical fallacy petitio principii (begging the question).
- Dudeman112 5y ago
  Alternatively, it could be taken as a honest question: do they actually want it because of the propaganda, or would they want it regardless of the propaganda? Inferring tone from text is a bitch.
  - jjk166 5y ago
    It's begging the question in either interpretation, hence why you can't really answer the question.

agumonkey 5y ago

My bet is that most groups have this in them. Being right, being the hero. America just had the lead in entertainment and tech

anthonyshort 5y ago
In my experience, other countries don't view themselves that way, and it's mostly seen as an Americanism (I'm not American)
- andi999 5y ago
  Long time ago I heard this joke: Ship is sinking, the captain needs to tell everybody 'women and children first' . So to the british: you are gentlemen, aren't you? To japanese passengers: look what everybody else is doing. To US-American: you guys want to be heros?
- agumonkey 5y ago
  Maybe to a lesser extent but you can find Indian movies of absurd heroism too. That's what propped me to think America is not very special. Also being a young and rich state probably pushed things to eleven.
  - ido 5y ago
    I wouldn't say "being young" is that relevant after a couple centuries. Nobody in the US today knows someone who witnessed the declaration of independence (unlike, say, in Israel or India).
    - agumonkey 5y ago
      Probably. But I believe there's still a notion that they're new players who got everything right to the top. While other countries have seen peaks and valleys.
- Hokusai 5y ago
  That is also true for the police. Usually the police is incompetent if you want to be funny, or they are suffering humans. The police as a hero is also USA propaganda.

Yoric 5y ago

Note that Hollywood movies get shown throughout the world, for better or for worse.

pydry 5y ago

Effective propaganda gets internalized.

jgilias 5y ago

Not just Americans. See 'Wolf Warrior', and 'Wolf Warrior 2', currently the second highest-grossing Chinese movie.

windsignaling 5y ago
"China bad" is one of the primary goals of western propaganda. Start looking out for any online discussion involving anti-Asian racism / attacks, the housing crisis, etc. and you'll see posts like "but what about the CPP?" and "aren't Asians the most racist against blacks?" https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1474350856476762115?s=12 https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1474350856476762115?...
- mrkstu 5y ago
  Equating anti-CCP sentiment with anti Asian propaganda is gaslighting. That’s like anti-Putin sentiment being equal to being racist against Slavs.
  - windsignaling 5y ago
    The point is that many speak as if anti-CCP sentiment -justifies- anything which is anti-Asian. In what way is "but CCP bad" an appropriate response to "another old Chinese lady brutally attacked on the street"? Also bold of us to assume the media is honest about the CCP when it is not even honest about domestic politicians.

boomskats 5y ago

I'm not sure about others, but I'm reading this comment with an implied /s

fourtrees 5y ago

Hwæt?! I think it's more than just modern Americans who love(d) heroic war stories. Look at J. Caesar, look at the knightly romances from the Middle Ages -- the latter are especially sanitized, the former were probably bloodied up a bit. The pursuit of that kill streak has been a genre for a really long time. I thought it was common knowledge that the US Government helped it along here and there and has in one medium or another since the beginning. There is a Maldon for every few Beowulfs though.