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Because, and I'm just guessing, he's younger the 65 if he's posting on HN? And, well because all of the actual data keeps proving that the unvaccinated are at

Because, and I'm just guessing, he's younger the 65 if he's posting on HN? And, well because all of the actual data keeps proving that the unvaccinated are at orders of magnitude higher risk than vaccinated across all age groups. https://azdhs.gov/covid19/documents/data/rates-of-cov-19-by-vaccination.pdf https://azdhs.gov/covid19/documents/data/rates-of-cov-19-by-...

busymom0 5y ago
Here’s the data for rate per 100000 of hospitalizations+icu & death broken down into age groups for the entire 2 years of the pandemic in my province of Ontario Canada: https://i.redd.it/qa9rj48mf6a81.jpg https://i.redd.it/qa9rj48mf6a81.jpg The risks for anyone young is so negligible that it makes absolutely no sense to mandate the shots like my government has done. Overall, looking at stats, I see that unless you are elderly, obese or have health conditions, the risks for young, fit and healthy are negligible. 90% of COVID-19 deaths in 2020 had at least one other comorbidity, 65% had two or more comorbidities and 46% had three or more comorbidities: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210514/dq210514c-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210514/dq210... US studies show that most COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred due to four conditions - obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure and 64% of the hospitalizations could have been prevented if not for the four conditions. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/most-covid-19-hospitalizations-due-four-conditions https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/most-co... Clearly, a young 30 year old being unvaccinated makes no difference to hospitals. But an elderly 75 year old being unvaccinated does make a difference. However, at that age, I am really doubtful they are unvaccinated by choice and more so because they have medical reason for not being vaccinated. I know an elderly with cancer who can't get vaccinated due to his immune system issues. It makes absolutely no sense to mandate shots for kids or anyone young.
- liamwestray 5y ago
  I don’t think you understand statistics, herd immunity, viral reservoirs, how comorbidities work, or genetic mutation of viruses. It makes no sense to not get a free vaccine that is now the safest most tested medication in human history that can prevent the spread and continued mutation of the most deadly pandemic virus in 100 years. Edit: To reiterate. You do not seem to understand your own sources you provide. You have twisted every article you link to provide justification of not getting vaccines when they literally all state the risks from the vaccines are lower than the risks from CoVID-19, that while the vaccines do not provide absolute herd immunity they do slow the spread and reduce the risk of hospitalization and death. Your argument about myocarditis is inane given that young men are 100 times more likely to suffer it if they get CoViD-19. Your argument that the vaccine isn’t preventative is nonsense as it clearly prevents death and hospitalization over non-vaccination across all age groups. Your interpretation of this paper doesn’t understand that statistical analysis is highly flawed in comparing other treatments for continuous exposure disease to the singular event exposure is absurd on its face. Please, get off Facebook, Reddit, or whatever other “mom” groups you’re in and go talk to an actual Immunologist and virus/vaccine researcher to help you better understand these things you’re so passionately ignorant about.
  - busymom0 5y ago
    You do know that the developer of the AstraZeneca shots himself stated in august 2020 that these shots cannot achieve herd immunity because they allow infection and transmission and are merely a potential severe symptom mitigator which wane drastically in 3-6 months? He even warned policy makers to not make policies based on achieving herd immunity from these shots. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-with-the-covid-delta-variant-experts-say.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-wi... Viral load is the same between vaccinated vs unvaccinated folks as shown by several studies now. In many cases, it’s even higher in vaccinated folks. When a shot doesn’t prevent infection, that also means it allows mutations to occur in the vaccinated person which created immune escape variants more likely. You are conflating these shots with more traditional shots. The purpose of those traditional vaccines are to PREVENT infection and transmission. Smallpox, polio, measles etc vaccines all stop infection and transmission. Also those vaccines are long term tested for many decades. Smallpox vaccines are 200 years old. Smallpox, polio, measles etc also have severe problems to the person who gets them including kids. The COVID shots neither prevent infection and transmission, not have they been long term tested. And COVID is negligible for kids and youth unless you are obese or have pre-existing conditions (in which case, the COVID shots also aren't much effective). These shots should never have been called a “vaccine” because they do it fit the definition of a vaccine as they don’t prevent infection. Legal definition of a vaccine is: > The term “vaccine” means any substance designed to be administered to a human being for the prevention of 1 or more diseases. Notice the word “prevention”. Covid shots don’t do that. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/4132 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/4132
    - joshuamorton 5y ago
      Nearly every vaccine in human history has some level of escape or immunized infection rate. Flu, polio, MMR. They're all vaccines Covid vaccines do prevent (not all, but some) transmission and prevent (not all, but many) serious infections. This is the same as pretty much every other vaccine out there. Covid vaccines are still very effective if you have preexisting conditions. You're spreading lies, please don't do that.

busymom0 5y ago

Here’s the data for rate per 100000 of hospitalizations+icu & death broken down into age groups for the entire 2 years of the pandemic in my province of Ontario Canada: https://i.redd.it/qa9rj48mf6a81.jpg https://i.redd.it/qa9rj48mf6a81.jpg The risks for anyone young is so negligible that it makes absolutely no sense to mandate the shots like my government has done. Overall, looking at stats, I see that unless you are elderly, obese or have health conditions, the risks for young, fit and healthy are negligible. 90% of COVID-19 deaths in 2020 had at least one other comorbidity, 65% had two or more comorbidities and 46% had three or more comorbidities: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210514/dq210514c-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210514/dq210... US studies show that most COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred due to four conditions - obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure and 64% of the hospitalizations could have been prevented if not for the four conditions. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/most-covid-19-hospitalizations-due-four-conditions https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/most-co... Clearly, a young 30 year old being unvaccinated makes no difference to hospitals. But an elderly 75 year old being unvaccinated does make a difference. However, at that age, I am really doubtful they are unvaccinated by choice and more so because they have medical reason for not being vaccinated. I know an elderly with cancer who can't get vaccinated due to his immune system issues. It makes absolutely no sense to mandate shots for kids or anyone young.

liamwestray 5y ago
I don’t think you understand statistics, herd immunity, viral reservoirs, how comorbidities work, or genetic mutation of viruses. It makes no sense to not get a free vaccine that is now the safest most tested medication in human history that can prevent the spread and continued mutation of the most deadly pandemic virus in 100 years. Edit: To reiterate. You do not seem to understand your own sources you provide. You have twisted every article you link to provide justification of not getting vaccines when they literally all state the risks from the vaccines are lower than the risks from CoVID-19, that while the vaccines do not provide absolute herd immunity they do slow the spread and reduce the risk of hospitalization and death. Your argument about myocarditis is inane given that young men are 100 times more likely to suffer it if they get CoViD-19. Your argument that the vaccine isn’t preventative is nonsense as it clearly prevents death and hospitalization over non-vaccination across all age groups. Your interpretation of this paper doesn’t understand that statistical analysis is highly flawed in comparing other treatments for continuous exposure disease to the singular event exposure is absurd on its face. Please, get off Facebook, Reddit, or whatever other “mom” groups you’re in and go talk to an actual Immunologist and virus/vaccine researcher to help you better understand these things you’re so passionately ignorant about.
- busymom0 5y ago
  You do know that the developer of the AstraZeneca shots himself stated in august 2020 that these shots cannot achieve herd immunity because they allow infection and transmission and are merely a potential severe symptom mitigator which wane drastically in 3-6 months? He even warned policy makers to not make policies based on achieving herd immunity from these shots. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-with-the-covid-delta-variant-experts-say.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-wi... Viral load is the same between vaccinated vs unvaccinated folks as shown by several studies now. In many cases, it’s even higher in vaccinated folks. When a shot doesn’t prevent infection, that also means it allows mutations to occur in the vaccinated person which created immune escape variants more likely. You are conflating these shots with more traditional shots. The purpose of those traditional vaccines are to PREVENT infection and transmission. Smallpox, polio, measles etc vaccines all stop infection and transmission. Also those vaccines are long term tested for many decades. Smallpox vaccines are 200 years old. Smallpox, polio, measles etc also have severe problems to the person who gets them including kids. The COVID shots neither prevent infection and transmission, not have they been long term tested. And COVID is negligible for kids and youth unless you are obese or have pre-existing conditions (in which case, the COVID shots also aren't much effective). These shots should never have been called a “vaccine” because they do it fit the definition of a vaccine as they don’t prevent infection. Legal definition of a vaccine is: > The term “vaccine” means any substance designed to be administered to a human being for the prevention of 1 or more diseases. Notice the word “prevention”. Covid shots don’t do that. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/4132 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/4132
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    Nearly every vaccine in human history has some level of escape or immunized infection rate. Flu, polio, MMR. They're all vaccines Covid vaccines do prevent (not all, but some) transmission and prevent (not all, but many) serious infections. This is the same as pretty much every other vaccine out there. Covid vaccines are still very effective if you have preexisting conditions. You're spreading lies, please don't do that.