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As of the latest data in the US for vaccinated people re: Omicron: You're 13x less likely to land in the hospital. You're 45x less likely to die. It's gone f

As of the latest data in the US for vaccinated people re: Omicron: You're 13x less likely to land in the hospital. You're 45x less likely to die. It's gone from being 10-20x more deadly than the flu to half as deadly with the vaccine. And Omicron hasn't peaked yet in the U.S., these numbers are likely conservative. Last I checked you had 1/14th the population and 1/30th the deaths we had. You got the vaccine later than we did, hit 93% vaccination rate while we're STILL below 65%. Australia took things way more seriously than we did, maybe a bit "too conservatively" for your taste, but the alternative I live in is that 2 aunt's funerals were over zoom (pre vaccine), and my I'm waiting for my 63 yr old uncle (anti-vax) who had a heart attack 3 years ago, is obese, been a lifelong smoker, and just got CoViD to recover.

roenxi 5y ago
> You're 13x less likely to land in the hospital. > You're 45x less likely to die. So? Why should that inconvenience me? They are adults and have the privilege of living their lives how they want as long as they bear their own consequences. This strategy seems to be they face all those risks anyway and we make sure their lives are miserable for no obvious reason. That is cruel to them and also stupid. These people presumably pay their taxes, it isn't like there is an unfair burden on everyone else. If there is, charge them a fee when they get to hospital or take it out of their estate if they die. If people want to take sill risks, let them.
- liamwestray 5y ago
  I don't think you understood what I said. Being vaccinated results in those outcomes. Not your lockdowns. Your lockdowns only resulted in 50% less deaths than our mismanagement. You're right, we shouldn't be inconvenienced by a death cult of anti-science morons. You don't have to be because your country made better decisions than mine.
landemva 5y ago
'You're 45x less likely to die.' I'm surprised at how you could determine 45x without knowing the age or co-morbidities of the person posting. Particularly concerning is that a young person in good health has little chance of dying, and the 45x comment may be wildly wrong.
- liamwestray 5y ago
  Because, and I'm just guessing, he's younger the 65 if he's posting on HN? And, well because all of the actual data keeps proving that the unvaccinated are at orders of magnitude higher risk than vaccinated across all age groups. https://azdhs.gov/covid19/documents/data/rates-of-cov-19-by-vaccination.pdf https://azdhs.gov/covid19/documents/data/rates-of-cov-19-by-...
  - busymom0 5y ago
    Here’s the data for rate per 100000 of hospitalizations+icu & death broken down into age groups for the entire 2 years of the pandemic in my province of Ontario Canada: https://i.redd.it/qa9rj48mf6a81.jpg https://i.redd.it/qa9rj48mf6a81.jpg The risks for anyone young is so negligible that it makes absolutely no sense to mandate the shots like my government has done. Overall, looking at stats, I see that unless you are elderly, obese or have health conditions, the risks for young, fit and healthy are negligible. 90% of COVID-19 deaths in 2020 had at least one other comorbidity, 65% had two or more comorbidities and 46% had three or more comorbidities: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210514/dq210514c-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210514/dq210... US studies show that most COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred due to four conditions - obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure and 64% of the hospitalizations could have been prevented if not for the four conditions. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/most-covid-19-hospitalizations-due-four-conditions https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/most-co... Clearly, a young 30 year old being unvaccinated makes no difference to hospitals. But an elderly 75 year old being unvaccinated does make a difference. However, at that age, I am really doubtful they are unvaccinated by choice and more so because they have medical reason for not being vaccinated. I know an elderly with cancer who can't get vaccinated due to his immune system issues. It makes absolutely no sense to mandate shots for kids or anyone young.
    - liamwestray 5y ago
      I don’t think you understand statistics, herd immunity, viral reservoirs, how comorbidities work, or genetic mutation of viruses. It makes no sense to not get a free vaccine that is now the safest most tested medication in human history that can prevent the spread and continued mutation of the most deadly pandemic virus in 100 years. Edit: To reiterate. You do not seem to understand your own sources you provide. You have twisted every article you link to provide justification of not getting vaccines when they literally all state the risks from the vaccines are lower than the risks from CoVID-19, that while the vaccines do not provide absolute herd immunity they do slow the spread and reduce the risk of hospitalization and death. Your argument about myocarditis is inane given that young men are 100 times more likely to suffer it if they get CoViD-19. Your argument that the vaccine isn’t preventative is nonsense as it clearly prevents death and hospitalization over non-vaccination across all age groups. Your interpretation of this paper doesn’t understand that statistical analysis is highly flawed in comparing other treatments for continuous exposure disease to the singular event exposure is absurd on its face. Please, get off Facebook, Reddit, or whatever other “mom” groups you’re in and go talk to an actual Immunologist and virus/vaccine researcher to help you better understand these things you’re so passionately ignorant about.

roenxi 5y ago

> You're 13x less likely to land in the hospital. > You're 45x less likely to die. So? Why should that inconvenience me? They are adults and have the privilege of living their lives how they want as long as they bear their own consequences. This strategy seems to be they face all those risks anyway and we make sure their lives are miserable for no obvious reason. That is cruel to them and also stupid. These people presumably pay their taxes, it isn't like there is an unfair burden on everyone else. If there is, charge them a fee when they get to hospital or take it out of their estate if they die. If people want to take sill risks, let them.

liamwestray 5y ago
I don't think you understood what I said. Being vaccinated results in those outcomes. Not your lockdowns. Your lockdowns only resulted in 50% less deaths than our mismanagement. You're right, we shouldn't be inconvenienced by a death cult of anti-science morons. You don't have to be because your country made better decisions than mine.

landemva 5y ago

'You're 45x less likely to die.' I'm surprised at how you could determine 45x without knowing the age or co-morbidities of the person posting. Particularly concerning is that a young person in good health has little chance of dying, and the 45x comment may be wildly wrong.

liamwestray 5y ago
Because, and I'm just guessing, he's younger the 65 if he's posting on HN? And, well because all of the actual data keeps proving that the unvaccinated are at orders of magnitude higher risk than vaccinated across all age groups. https://azdhs.gov/covid19/documents/data/rates-of-cov-19-by-vaccination.pdf https://azdhs.gov/covid19/documents/data/rates-of-cov-19-by-...
- busymom0 5y ago
  Here’s the data for rate per 100000 of hospitalizations+icu & death broken down into age groups for the entire 2 years of the pandemic in my province of Ontario Canada: https://i.redd.it/qa9rj48mf6a81.jpg https://i.redd.it/qa9rj48mf6a81.jpg The risks for anyone young is so negligible that it makes absolutely no sense to mandate the shots like my government has done. Overall, looking at stats, I see that unless you are elderly, obese or have health conditions, the risks for young, fit and healthy are negligible. 90% of COVID-19 deaths in 2020 had at least one other comorbidity, 65% had two or more comorbidities and 46% had three or more comorbidities: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210514/dq210514c-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210514/dq210... US studies show that most COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred due to four conditions - obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure and 64% of the hospitalizations could have been prevented if not for the four conditions. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/most-covid-19-hospitalizations-due-four-conditions https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/most-co... Clearly, a young 30 year old being unvaccinated makes no difference to hospitals. But an elderly 75 year old being unvaccinated does make a difference. However, at that age, I am really doubtful they are unvaccinated by choice and more so because they have medical reason for not being vaccinated. I know an elderly with cancer who can't get vaccinated due to his immune system issues. It makes absolutely no sense to mandate shots for kids or anyone young.
  - liamwestray 5y ago
    I don’t think you understand statistics, herd immunity, viral reservoirs, how comorbidities work, or genetic mutation of viruses. It makes no sense to not get a free vaccine that is now the safest most tested medication in human history that can prevent the spread and continued mutation of the most deadly pandemic virus in 100 years. Edit: To reiterate. You do not seem to understand your own sources you provide. You have twisted every article you link to provide justification of not getting vaccines when they literally all state the risks from the vaccines are lower than the risks from CoVID-19, that while the vaccines do not provide absolute herd immunity they do slow the spread and reduce the risk of hospitalization and death. Your argument about myocarditis is inane given that young men are 100 times more likely to suffer it if they get CoViD-19. Your argument that the vaccine isn’t preventative is nonsense as it clearly prevents death and hospitalization over non-vaccination across all age groups. Your interpretation of this paper doesn’t understand that statistical analysis is highly flawed in comparing other treatments for continuous exposure disease to the singular event exposure is absurd on its face. Please, get off Facebook, Reddit, or whatever other “mom” groups you’re in and go talk to an actual Immunologist and virus/vaccine researcher to help you better understand these things you’re so passionately ignorant about.