> I know many proficient people who are bitter that nobody recognized their talent and they consistently get overlooked. They ask me for advice, I give it, they

> I know many proficient people who are bitter that nobody recognized their talent and they consistently get overlooked. They ask me for advice, I give it, they ignore it and get even more bitter. This has nothing to do with salary negotiation. Tooting your own horn might help you get the job, but it won't help you when you're trying to haggle over your compensation. And generally speaking, knowing how to advocate for yourself is a far more useful skill than salary negotiation, and yet the second will often have a greater impact on your compensation which is my point. The other half of my point is that me getting paid more doesn't fix discrimination. And you saying "yeah but people should learn how to not be discriminated against", isn't the best response. Yeah, sure, it might help some people, but not everyone will be able to take the advice, so instead of making people bootstrap themselves up, I'll advocate for the social shortcut of changing the law.