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> These days, I work harder than I ever have in my life. I’m at my desk for at least eleven hours a day, seven days a week. Is this what makes you happy? A lot

> These days, I work harder than I ever have in my life. I’m at my desk for at least eleven hours a day, seven days a week. Is this what makes you happy? A lot of people might criticize this as unhealthy. This statement does not contain a lot of "balance". Where's the exercise? Cooking for yourself? Socializing with others? Spending time with loved ones/family? Working on hobbies? I too am at my keyboard a lot. A lot a lot. I just don't know if it's a noble "I work hard" or "addiction".

kirso 5y ago
Its only an addiction when you connect your identity to the outcome. The problem is that when you are building something with just an expectation of contributing to the world or intrinsically, it doesn't hurt when you don't get 1000 active users but you are still working on it because you "want to". I spend 80% of my free time on side things because I love learning and I am curious about the world and that makes me happy. Socialising and exercise is the rest 20%... Think balance is subjective for everyone but you can easily notice it when something just makes you miserable. For instance when I am learning to code, the bugs and things that I don't understand are so freaking frustrating... but I keep going anyways because its interesting. We are all writers of our own stories including balance I would say...
themacguffinman 5y ago
"Addiction" as you call it would only a problem if you think it's a problem. Does it or will it interfere with your ability to do something else that you want more? Do you actually want to spend more time cooking for yourself or spend more time with family etc? IMO no one else can tell you how balanced your life ought to be. "Health" is a means to an end.
- _blu 5y ago
  that's a terrible definitioin of addiction and health. Alot of people with addictions don't think they have a problem and are unable to see it. It can affect alot of people negatively and yourself.
  - themacguffinman 5y ago
    That just sounds like you're projecting your own values onto others for doing something more than you'd like them to. How they spend & value their time and health is their choice alone, whether it affects the individual negatively is up to their perception, not yours. The miserable drug and alcohol addicts you might be imagining are aware that it's a problem, they may not know how to fix it.
    - laserlight 5y ago
      What if they had a chance to experience a life without addiction and then decide whether to live their life with or without addiction. Would they still choose addiction? People might be happy with their life, but this doesn't mean that they wouldn't be happier with an alternative life. After they try the alternative, they could even think that what they had thought as happiness, turned out, was suffering.
      - dageshi 5y ago
        But they don't, as you get older you kind of find the things you fundamentally like and dislike in life and learn to accept them, it's perhaps one of the few perks of getting older, knowing yourself, knowing what makes life enjoyable and what doesn't.
ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
Eh. I walk a couple of miles, every day; first thing (I’m up at 5). Tomorrow will be an exception, but I’ll get my exercise, anyway, shoveling snow. I’ll get to sleep in, a bit. I eat relatively healthy, and have a reasonably rich social life. I don’t drink, smoke, use drugs, or engage in a lot of vices. I’m home all day, and have lots of time with my family (including a couple of cats, who let me know, when it’s time to give them attention). I take frequent breaks, including occasional naps. Even the computer time isn’t just working. I do all kinds of things, even play games. I work in the living room, so I’m pretty connected to the household. In fact, it’s important for me to force myself to get out. COVID has made it all too easy to stay in. When I go on a problem-solving coding run, I don’t have bandwidth for anything else, and I’m generally exhausted, when I’m done. It may be hours straight, focused on what I’m doing. As our project is maturing towards release, there are quite a few days like that. But, yeah, I’m pretty obsessive about coding. It’s not “noble,” and I am quite familiar with addiction. There’s definitely an aspect of that, in my approach to my work. But then, I know folks that have surgery, so they can play golf better (because they were just as obsessed as me, but in making money, and it damaged their health). Doing what I do makes me feel good, and whole. I have friends that are every bit as obsessed with golf, traveling, music concerts, religion, crafts, hiking and climbing, skiing, martial arts, dancing, playing music, surfing, video games, art, photography, guns, hunting, fishing, cars, motorcycles, or boating, as I am, with software development. Most business owners are just as tied up with their work, as am I. I guess folks think that these are “healthier” pursuits, but I am not so sure. What I do has the added benefit of producing something that helps folks out. I consider it a craft. I’ve been shipping software, my entire adult life. I guess this crowd doesn’t really grok doing something that doesn’t generate money (quite understandable), but it’s never actually been about the money, for me. If I wanted to make money, I would have done so. I’m pretty aware of my capabilities. As it is, I made enough to be where I am, but not so much, that it became its own problem. I could have made other people quite a bit of money, but they were incapable of seeing past my gray hair. I’m actually grateful, in the aggregate, as it forced me to be where I am. There’s a deep satisfaction to be had, putting a bow on it, and sending it out the door. It was deeply disappointing, to have my work treated badly by others. It paid the bills, but I died a little, inside, every time my work was damaged, misused, or ignored. When I work for myself, I no longer have to suffer that pain. Out of necessity, the scope is smaller, but I’ve always been able to get a surprising amount done. The project I’m doing now, is the type of thing normally done by a fair-sized team. Now that I’ve had a few years on my own, I can’t see myself ever going back to the rat race. I enjoy helping people out. I have a skill that can empower people to transcend a lot of pain and misery, so I don’t think it’s a bad thing to use it. I’m not looking for brownie points (certainly not money). Most folks have no idea of the extent of my work, and that’s fine with me. Fame and accolades are a young man’s game.
dageshi 5y ago
A lot of people find it hard to believe other people enjoy different lifestyles than themselves.

kirso 5y ago

Its only an addiction when you connect your identity to the outcome. The problem is that when you are building something with just an expectation of contributing to the world or intrinsically, it doesn't hurt when you don't get 1000 active users but you are still working on it because you "want to". I spend 80% of my free time on side things because I love learning and I am curious about the world and that makes me happy. Socialising and exercise is the rest 20%... Think balance is subjective for everyone but you can easily notice it when something just makes you miserable. For instance when I am learning to code, the bugs and things that I don't understand are so freaking frustrating... but I keep going anyways because its interesting. We are all writers of our own stories including balance I would say...

themacguffinman 5y ago

"Addiction" as you call it would only a problem if you think it's a problem. Does it or will it interfere with your ability to do something else that you want more? Do you actually want to spend more time cooking for yourself or spend more time with family etc? IMO no one else can tell you how balanced your life ought to be. "Health" is a means to an end.

_blu 5y ago
that's a terrible definitioin of addiction and health. Alot of people with addictions don't think they have a problem and are unable to see it. It can affect alot of people negatively and yourself.
- themacguffinman 5y ago
  That just sounds like you're projecting your own values onto others for doing something more than you'd like them to. How they spend & value their time and health is their choice alone, whether it affects the individual negatively is up to their perception, not yours. The miserable drug and alcohol addicts you might be imagining are aware that it's a problem, they may not know how to fix it.
  - laserlight 5y ago
    What if they had a chance to experience a life without addiction and then decide whether to live their life with or without addiction. Would they still choose addiction? People might be happy with their life, but this doesn't mean that they wouldn't be happier with an alternative life. After they try the alternative, they could even think that what they had thought as happiness, turned out, was suffering.
    - dageshi 5y ago
      But they don't, as you get older you kind of find the things you fundamentally like and dislike in life and learn to accept them, it's perhaps one of the few perks of getting older, knowing yourself, knowing what makes life enjoyable and what doesn't.

ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago

Eh. I walk a couple of miles, every day; first thing (I’m up at 5). Tomorrow will be an exception, but I’ll get my exercise, anyway, shoveling snow. I’ll get to sleep in, a bit. I eat relatively healthy, and have a reasonably rich social life. I don’t drink, smoke, use drugs, or engage in a lot of vices. I’m home all day, and have lots of time with my family (including a couple of cats, who let me know, when it’s time to give them attention). I take frequent breaks, including occasional naps. Even the computer time isn’t just working. I do all kinds of things, even play games. I work in the living room, so I’m pretty connected to the household. In fact, it’s important for me to force myself to get out. COVID has made it all too easy to stay in. When I go on a problem-solving coding run, I don’t have bandwidth for anything else, and I’m generally exhausted, when I’m done. It may be hours straight, focused on what I’m doing. As our project is maturing towards release, there are quite a few days like that. But, yeah, I’m pretty obsessive about coding. It’s not “noble,” and I am quite familiar with addiction. There’s definitely an aspect of that, in my approach to my work. But then, I know folks that have surgery, so they can play golf better (because they were just as obsessed as me, but in making money, and it damaged their health). Doing what I do makes me feel good, and whole. I have friends that are every bit as obsessed with golf, traveling, music concerts, religion, crafts, hiking and climbing, skiing, martial arts, dancing, playing music, surfing, video games, art, photography, guns, hunting, fishing, cars, motorcycles, or boating, as I am, with software development. Most business owners are just as tied up with their work, as am I. I guess folks think that these are “healthier” pursuits, but I am not so sure. What I do has the added benefit of producing something that helps folks out. I consider it a craft. I’ve been shipping software, my entire adult life. I guess this crowd doesn’t really grok doing something that doesn’t generate money (quite understandable), but it’s never actually been about the money, for me. If I wanted to make money, I would have done so. I’m pretty aware of my capabilities. As it is, I made enough to be where I am, but not so much, that it became its own problem. I could have made other people quite a bit of money, but they were incapable of seeing past my gray hair. I’m actually grateful, in the aggregate, as it forced me to be where I am. There’s a deep satisfaction to be had, putting a bow on it, and sending it out the door. It was deeply disappointing, to have my work treated badly by others. It paid the bills, but I died a little, inside, every time my work was damaged, misused, or ignored. When I work for myself, I no longer have to suffer that pain. Out of necessity, the scope is smaller, but I’ve always been able to get a surprising amount done. The project I’m doing now, is the type of thing normally done by a fair-sized team. Now that I’ve had a few years on my own, I can’t see myself ever going back to the rat race. I enjoy helping people out. I have a skill that can empower people to transcend a lot of pain and misery, so I don’t think it’s a bad thing to use it. I’m not looking for brownie points (certainly not money). Most folks have no idea of the extent of my work, and that’s fine with me. Fame and accolades are a young man’s game.

dageshi 5y ago

A lot of people find it hard to believe other people enjoy different lifestyles than themselves.