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My interest isn't in wringing the most possible out of my negotiation with a company. I don't want to "win". I want to get what I want (even if that means that

My interest isn't in wringing the most possible out of my negotiation with a company. I don't want to "win". I want to get what I want (even if that means that I'm not getting the most possible). More importantly, unrelated to how much I get, I prefer things be fair. I think it is stupid that your ability to negotiate has a larger impact on your compensation than your proficiency in many cases. Reading a book on negotiating doesn't fix that, but getting the law changed does.

WalterBright 5y ago
> I think it is stupid that your ability to negotiate has a larger impact on your compensation than your proficiency in many cases Nobody in my long life has ever called me handsome. It's unfair. I can't fix that. But I can find other ways to succeed. I know many proficient people who are bitter that nobody recognized their talent and they consistently get overlooked. They ask me for advice, I give it, they ignore it and get even more bitter. Nobody is going to toot your horn for you. You're gonna have to do it yourself. Want to know who was a master at that? Steve Jobs. He never sat around waiting for someone to notice his brilliance. How about the Kardashians? The same. Pick any celebrity. Same story.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  > I know many proficient people who are bitter that nobody recognized their talent and they consistently get overlooked. They ask me for advice, I give it, they ignore it and get even more bitter. This has nothing to do with salary negotiation. Tooting your own horn might help you get the job, but it won't help you when you're trying to haggle over your compensation. And generally speaking, knowing how to advocate for yourself is a far more useful skill than salary negotiation, and yet the second will often have a greater impact on your compensation which is my point. The other half of my point is that me getting paid more doesn't fix discrimination. And you saying "yeah but people should learn how to not be discriminated against", isn't the best response. Yeah, sure, it might help some people, but not everyone will be able to take the advice, so instead of making people bootstrap themselves up, I'll advocate for the social shortcut of changing the law.

WalterBright 5y ago

> I think it is stupid that your ability to negotiate has a larger impact on your compensation than your proficiency in many cases Nobody in my long life has ever called me handsome. It's unfair. I can't fix that. But I can find other ways to succeed. I know many proficient people who are bitter that nobody recognized their talent and they consistently get overlooked. They ask me for advice, I give it, they ignore it and get even more bitter. Nobody is going to toot your horn for you. You're gonna have to do it yourself. Want to know who was a master at that? Steve Jobs. He never sat around waiting for someone to notice his brilliance. How about the Kardashians? The same. Pick any celebrity. Same story.

joshuamorton 5y ago
> I know many proficient people who are bitter that nobody recognized their talent and they consistently get overlooked. They ask me for advice, I give it, they ignore it and get even more bitter. This has nothing to do with salary negotiation. Tooting your own horn might help you get the job, but it won't help you when you're trying to haggle over your compensation. And generally speaking, knowing how to advocate for yourself is a far more useful skill than salary negotiation, and yet the second will often have a greater impact on your compensation which is my point. The other half of my point is that me getting paid more doesn't fix discrimination. And you saying "yeah but people should learn how to not be discriminated against", isn't the best response. Yeah, sure, it might help some people, but not everyone will be able to take the advice, so instead of making people bootstrap themselves up, I'll advocate for the social shortcut of changing the law.