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It doesn’t confuse me, is just super disappointing. What you are saying is certainly real, that the mind has healing and destructive capabilities. It’s interes

by 40four 5y ago

It doesn’t confuse me, is just super disappointing. What you are saying is certainly real, that the mind has healing and destructive capabilities. It’s interesting you say this stance may actually be more ‘scientific’. My grandmother had a large part in my upbringing, and she was a life long Christian Scientist (not to be confused with Scientology). She raised me on its principals. They are hard to articulate concisely, but your words are pretty close. It’s almost like scientists want to ignore Mind, and try to describe the world only in terms of matter. They believe matter, all on its own, contains all the answers and all the Intelligence of the universe. A Christian Scientist on the other hand, believes Mind is everything and matter is nothing. Love, Wisdom, Intelligence are all properties of Mind. So no wonder others are surprised or confused when it’s power over the material world is clearly demonstrated. Sometimes I wonder if modern science has actually proven that matter is ‘nothing’. Think about it, if you look at an atom close enough under a powerful microscope, it becomes clear that it’s actually almost 100% open space!

dragonwriter 5y ago
> It’s almost like scientists want to ignore Mind, and try to describe the world only in terms of matter It's not a matter of scientists wanting that, and plenty of scientists have quite overt beliefs about non-material truth. However, science, in the modern, systematic sense is about a process which is entirely concerned with testable predictive models of the relation of observable material facts. Non-material potential truth that is not materializable in the form of testable material predictions may or may not exist, and may or may not be interesting to a particular scientist, but is outside the domain of science. > Think about it, if you look at an atom close enough under a powerful microscope, it becomes clear that it’s actually almost 100% open space! No, it doesn't. The highest-resolution (new-as-in-this-year) electron microscopy techniques are sufficient to see atoms as somewhat more than point objects, but not enough to see that they are mostly empty, That they are mostly empty is part of the model produced by modern physics, and you've probably seen popularization that talked about what you would see if it was possible to see at certain granularity, but that's not the same thing as what you actually can see with the most powerful microscopes that actually exist.

by 40four 5y ago

dragonwriter 5y ago

> It’s almost like scientists want to ignore Mind, and try to describe the world only in terms of matter It's not a matter of scientists wanting that, and plenty of scientists have quite overt beliefs about non-material truth. However, science, in the modern, systematic sense is about a process which is entirely concerned with testable predictive models of the relation of observable material facts. Non-material potential truth that is not materializable in the form of testable material predictions may or may not exist, and may or may not be interesting to a particular scientist, but is outside the domain of science. > Think about it, if you look at an atom close enough under a powerful microscope, it becomes clear that it’s actually almost 100% open space! No, it doesn't. The highest-resolution (new-as-in-this-year) electron microscopy techniques are sufficient to see atoms as somewhat more than point objects, but not enough to see that they are mostly empty, That they are mostly empty is part of the model produced by modern physics, and you've probably seen popularization that talked about what you would see if it was possible to see at certain granularity, but that's not the same thing as what you actually can see with the most powerful microscopes that actually exist.