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I find it hilarious that the strongest response is about some ancient examples of centuries ago. If anything, this is a praise of the system we have today. Peo

I find it hilarious that the strongest response is about some ancient examples of centuries ago. If anything, this is a praise of the system we have today. People don’t understand Capitalism and they seem to have joined the liberal progressive bandwagon. Progressives used to be extremely pro-Capatilist movement. Until lately, and some fringe socialist ideas of Bernie Sanders, it was universally accepted. Apparently after 2020, the entire progressive movement started stomping on billionaires and corporations. There is a reason why most strong economies are capitalist. It’s the best tool we have. Also, I tend to believe the opposite of what the HN hive mind thinks. Usually the opposite is true and even if it’s not, it breaks the bandwagoning. Thanks for the response!

sam0x17 5y ago
You don't seem to understand what liberal means. Liberals are pro status-quo, pro lobbyist, pro deregulation of corporations. They are the centrist monolith that stands in the way of leftists and real progressives at every corner of government. Most liberals, transplanted outside of the U.S., would be right or far right without changing their politics.
sam0x17 5y ago
The strongest example is the opioid epidemic. Whoops.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"Also, I tend to believe the opposite of what the HN hive mind thinks." I recommend instead of treating it as a culture war you pick up: 'Economics: The User's Guide'. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20613671-economics https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20613671-economics
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Progressives used to be extremely pro-Capatilist movement That's both true and false. That is, there was once a pro-capitalist movement called “Progressive”, but it has essentially no connection to the modern movement that adopted the name. (There have been lots of unrelated “Progressive” movements, historically.) > Until lately, and some fringe socialist ideas of Bernie Sanders, it was universally accepted. Nope, not at all; the label “progressive” was adopted by the faction overlapping the Democratic Party which opposes capitalism to distinguish themselves from the pro-capitalist “liberals” not long after the Clinton’s center-right faction became clearly dominant on the Democratic Party, it was well established by the late 1990s. > There is a reason why most strong economies are capitalist Most strong economies moved off of the historical system for which 19th Century critics coined the term “capitalism” in the first half of the 20th Century, adopting a hybrid system synthesizing capitalist and socialist ideas that has a couple of different names, such as “Modern Mixed Economy”. > Also, I tend to believe the opposite of what the HN hive mind thinks There is no “HN hive mind”, though it's a popular thing for people to attribute ideas they oppose to (even when people who agree with them are quite common on HN.)

sam0x17 5y ago

You don't seem to understand what liberal means. Liberals are pro status-quo, pro lobbyist, pro deregulation of corporations. They are the centrist monolith that stands in the way of leftists and real progressives at every corner of government. Most liberals, transplanted outside of the U.S., would be right or far right without changing their politics.

sam0x17 5y ago

The strongest example is the opioid epidemic. Whoops.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

"Also, I tend to believe the opposite of what the HN hive mind thinks." I recommend instead of treating it as a culture war you pick up: 'Economics: The User's Guide'. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20613671-economics https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20613671-economics

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Progressives used to be extremely pro-Capatilist movement That's both true and false. That is, there was once a pro-capitalist movement called “Progressive”, but it has essentially no connection to the modern movement that adopted the name. (There have been lots of unrelated “Progressive” movements, historically.) > Until lately, and some fringe socialist ideas of Bernie Sanders, it was universally accepted. Nope, not at all; the label “progressive” was adopted by the faction overlapping the Democratic Party which opposes capitalism to distinguish themselves from the pro-capitalist “liberals” not long after the Clinton’s center-right faction became clearly dominant on the Democratic Party, it was well established by the late 1990s. > There is a reason why most strong economies are capitalist Most strong economies moved off of the historical system for which 19th Century critics coined the term “capitalism” in the first half of the 20th Century, adopting a hybrid system synthesizing capitalist and socialist ideas that has a couple of different names, such as “Modern Mixed Economy”. > Also, I tend to believe the opposite of what the HN hive mind thinks There is no “HN hive mind”, though it's a popular thing for people to attribute ideas they oppose to (even when people who agree with them are quite common on HN.)