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The reality is that this sort of bloat happens in every mature software project. Some of it will get fixed, some of it will persist. You take the good with the

by cal5k 15y ago

The reality is that this sort of bloat happens in every mature software project. Some of it will get fixed, some of it will persist. You take the good with the bad, but at least there IS a community behind the project. However, what Drupal has going for it right now is critical mass. It has finally gained widespread acceptance with government agencies and large companies... it's an exciting time to be part of the community, and to a large degree this can be attributed to having Acquia really champion the project with enterprise clients. No other company was previously capable of doing this. Because of this singular fact, Drupal will remain relevant for many years to come. The only reason this sort of discussion is even able to happen is because the Drupal project is open source... can you imagine how much shit is buried deep within every single product OpenText, for example, maintains? Have you ever tried to do anything truly custom with Microsoft Sharepoint? Let's try to fix the problems, but let's also recognize that Drupal has a lot going for it at the moment.

exdrupal 15y ago
One thing the Drupal community has no shortage of is cheerleaders.
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- cal5k 15y ago
  Dries keeps going on about something Koolaid related... not sure what he's talking about, but it sounds tasty! ;-)
powertower 15y ago
> However, what Drupal has going for it right now is critical mass. http://www.google.com/trends?q=drupal%2C+joomla%2C+wordpress http://www.google.com/trends?q=drupal%2C+joomla%2C+wordpress I'm not sure how much we can infer from the above, but Drupal has been about the same since 2009.
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- eaton 15y ago
  While i'm loathe to take the "Drupal Cheerleading" side, Google search volume and platform adoption are definitely two different measurements. The number of globally installed Drupal sites has grown dramatically over the 2-year period you mentioned. http://drupal.org/project/usage/drupal http://drupal.org/project/usage/drupal lists the number of sites that are actively pinging back to the Drupal.org servers over time, and the project lead maintains a crawler that attempts to count the number of sites that actually run Drupal, regardless of their "phone home" status. Those numbers have been growing consistently, in some cases jumping by as much as 50% per year. That doesn't mean that Drupal is great software, or that it will continue to grow at that pace, but it's absolutely not flat. In fact the author of the original blog post is pointing out one of the significant problems that comes with growth: the number of people using and building sites with Drupal has grown much, MUCH faster than the number of people who actively build and maintain the software itself.
  - cal5k 15y ago
    I was referring primarily to enterprise adoption - there have been quite a number of high-profile wins recently in terms of Drupal finding its way into companies/gov agencies that previously would have used proprietary software like Sitecore, Sharepoint, etc. But yes, the total number of installed sites has gone up dramatically as well. I guess the side benefit to demand outstripping supply of talent is that it's a great for companies who provide Drupal-related products and services. Every one of Acquia's Enterprise partners currently have more work than they can handle.
    - knieveltech 15y ago
      This isn't limited to Acquia's enterprise partners. Every freelancer I know with Drupal in their portfolio is turning down gigs left and right because they're out of capacity. Most shops I've worked with have given up on finding out of the box talent and have started hiring developers and training them on Drupal. All of the recruiters I've talked to in the last eight months that where trying to fill a Drupal-related position where tearing their hair out trying to find loose talent. In short, there is HUGE demand for Drupal talent right now.
Ingaz 15y ago
>>Have you ever tried to do anything truly custom with Microsoft Sharepoint? Yes. Sharepoint is buggy as hell.

by cal5k 15y ago

exdrupal 15y ago

One thing the Drupal community has no shortage of is cheerleaders.

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cal5k 15y ago
Dries keeps going on about something Koolaid related... not sure what he's talking about, but it sounds tasty! ;-)

powertower 15y ago

> However, what Drupal has going for it right now is critical mass. http://www.google.com/trends?q=drupal%2C+joomla%2C+wordpress http://www.google.com/trends?q=drupal%2C+joomla%2C+wordpress I'm not sure how much we can infer from the above, but Drupal has been about the same since 2009.

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eaton 15y ago
While i'm loathe to take the "Drupal Cheerleading" side, Google search volume and platform adoption are definitely two different measurements. The number of globally installed Drupal sites has grown dramatically over the 2-year period you mentioned. http://drupal.org/project/usage/drupal http://drupal.org/project/usage/drupal lists the number of sites that are actively pinging back to the Drupal.org servers over time, and the project lead maintains a crawler that attempts to count the number of sites that actually run Drupal, regardless of their "phone home" status. Those numbers have been growing consistently, in some cases jumping by as much as 50% per year. That doesn't mean that Drupal is great software, or that it will continue to grow at that pace, but it's absolutely not flat. In fact the author of the original blog post is pointing out one of the significant problems that comes with growth: the number of people using and building sites with Drupal has grown much, MUCH faster than the number of people who actively build and maintain the software itself.
- cal5k 15y ago
  I was referring primarily to enterprise adoption - there have been quite a number of high-profile wins recently in terms of Drupal finding its way into companies/gov agencies that previously would have used proprietary software like Sitecore, Sharepoint, etc. But yes, the total number of installed sites has gone up dramatically as well. I guess the side benefit to demand outstripping supply of talent is that it's a great for companies who provide Drupal-related products and services. Every one of Acquia's Enterprise partners currently have more work than they can handle.
  - knieveltech 15y ago
    This isn't limited to Acquia's enterprise partners. Every freelancer I know with Drupal in their portfolio is turning down gigs left and right because they're out of capacity. Most shops I've worked with have given up on finding out of the box talent and have started hiring developers and training them on Drupal. All of the recruiters I've talked to in the last eight months that where trying to fill a Drupal-related position where tearing their hair out trying to find loose talent. In short, there is HUGE demand for Drupal talent right now.

Ingaz 15y ago

>>Have you ever tried to do anything truly custom with Microsoft Sharepoint? Yes. Sharepoint is buggy as hell.