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While that's relatively worse, it's still a non-issue - just look at your phone if you want the current time. Nobody buys a car for its accurate timekeeping abi

While that's relatively worse, it's still a non-issue - just look at your phone if you want the current time. Nobody buys a car for its accurate timekeeping abilities. I understand that customers are rightfully pissed off that they paid for a clock and no longer have a working clock, but the cost of said clock can't have been more than a few dollars so it still doesn't really matter. In my head this would suck a lot more if the time was needed to enable more connectivity i.e. syncing calendars, remote start/unlock, etc. But if that was the case these systems would use NTP and avoid this whole mess entirely.

Spooky23 5y ago
That’s like the slumlord approach to property maintenance. Screen door is broken? Building Code doesn’t require it, rip the thing off! If you’re making a durable product that’s going to be around for a decade or two, make it right. This attitude that we should just shrug and accept bad “engineering” is just dumb. Honda in particular didn’t move their entertainment systems to CarPlay/Android Auto until 2018 in some models - so internally they felt there was some strategic advantage to owning the car entertainment stack, and they still fucked it up. Where else do they suck?
- nexuist 5y ago
  > That’s like the slumlord approach to property maintenance. Screen door is broken? Building Code doesn’t require it, rip the thing off! Screen doors have an essential use during storm conditions. They are important for physical safety. What safety benefits do you rely on a clock for? > This attitude that we should just shrug and accept bad “engineering” is just dumb Are you really going to tell the Honda owners in your life to go buy another car because of this clock issue? Otherwise, they're just accepting bad engineering! > If you’re making a durable product that’s going to be around for a decade or two, make it right. The cars still drive, and those that are properly maintained drive well, better than most other brands. I ask again, who the hell buys a car for its timekeeping abilities?
- quicklime 5y ago
  This is more like the clock being wrong on your home oven. It doesn't mean that the building is poorly engineered.
olyjohn 5y ago
What is and isn't a big deal depends on the person. Maybe it's not for you. Maybe for someone else it is. Anything not directly related to getting you from A to B can be a non-issue. Do you really need power windows? Do you really need AC? Do you really need sound insulation? Do you even need heat? I mean put on a jacket for christ's sake! Doesn't really matter. I guess if the whole car falls apart around you, it's a non issue as long as it gets you where you wanna go right?
- nexuist 5y ago
  > Do you really need power windows? No > Do you really need AC? No > Do you really need sound insulation? No > Do you even need heat? No > I guess if the whole car falls apart around you, it's a non issue as long as it gets you where you wanna go right? Yes, this is how the majority of people approach used car sales. They're bought for the A to B capability, not for anything else. Regardless, it is ridiculous to compare something as critical to human comfort as heating to an accurate clock. Who the hell needs the time to be right in their car? You can afford a car but not a $5 wristwatch?

Spooky23 5y ago

That’s like the slumlord approach to property maintenance. Screen door is broken? Building Code doesn’t require it, rip the thing off! If you’re making a durable product that’s going to be around for a decade or two, make it right. This attitude that we should just shrug and accept bad “engineering” is just dumb. Honda in particular didn’t move their entertainment systems to CarPlay/Android Auto until 2018 in some models - so internally they felt there was some strategic advantage to owning the car entertainment stack, and they still fucked it up. Where else do they suck?

nexuist 5y ago
> That’s like the slumlord approach to property maintenance. Screen door is broken? Building Code doesn’t require it, rip the thing off! Screen doors have an essential use during storm conditions. They are important for physical safety. What safety benefits do you rely on a clock for? > This attitude that we should just shrug and accept bad “engineering” is just dumb Are you really going to tell the Honda owners in your life to go buy another car because of this clock issue? Otherwise, they're just accepting bad engineering! > If you’re making a durable product that’s going to be around for a decade or two, make it right. The cars still drive, and those that are properly maintained drive well, better than most other brands. I ask again, who the hell buys a car for its timekeeping abilities?
quicklime 5y ago
This is more like the clock being wrong on your home oven. It doesn't mean that the building is poorly engineered.

olyjohn 5y ago

What is and isn't a big deal depends on the person. Maybe it's not for you. Maybe for someone else it is. Anything not directly related to getting you from A to B can be a non-issue. Do you really need power windows? Do you really need AC? Do you really need sound insulation? Do you even need heat? I mean put on a jacket for christ's sake! Doesn't really matter. I guess if the whole car falls apart around you, it's a non issue as long as it gets you where you wanna go right?

nexuist 5y ago
> Do you really need power windows? No > Do you really need AC? No > Do you really need sound insulation? No > Do you even need heat? No > I guess if the whole car falls apart around you, it's a non issue as long as it gets you where you wanna go right? Yes, this is how the majority of people approach used car sales. They're bought for the A to B capability, not for anything else. Regardless, it is ridiculous to compare something as critical to human comfort as heating to an accurate clock. Who the hell needs the time to be right in their car? You can afford a car but not a $5 wristwatch?