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technobabble. a better term awaits.

by riffic 5y ago

TheRealPomax 5y ago
No it doesn't, the tech crowd settled on fediverse, make your peace and move on. It's might be dumb sounding term, but then so was "electronic mail" or "wiki".
- busterarm 5y ago
  It strikes me as weird seeing the tech crowd choose which feudal lords/tribes they belong to, because that's all the fediverse is ultimately. I'll chalk it up to poor understanding of social power structures.
  - klabb3 5y ago
    Despite your framing, I'm actually curious about your criticisms. To me, a federated world is strictly better than the increasingly centralized world we find ourselves in. Are you suggesting anything less than fully decentralized is not worth the effort?
    - busterarm 5y ago
      I'm being fairly literal when I say that federated social networking is feudalism. That's not a better/worse value judgment -- just pointing out that some folks make the mistake of believing otherwise. As far as value judgments go though, I've long been saying that the current model for the internet is crushing us; that collectively as a society we should get together and abolish the use and creation of social networking sites (the same way qualuudes don't exist today); and that "skin in the game" should be required for online services -- no more "free" stuff where the product is actually the user. I will gladly pay for an email account that isn't mining my data, or a search engine that's actually useful, etc.
      - streamofdigits 5y ago
        its a maximalist position that is hard to parse. you can run your own instance, keep it very local to a group of friends and family etc. what is feudal about that?
      - klabb3 5y ago
        Thanks for the clarification. The part I disagree with is the binary classification, and also individuals paying is not a guarantee to get free of the power structure, for instance take Youtube premium. It's not obvious that the platform itself must concentrate power, but I totally agree that the power differential is core and needs fixing.
almet 5y ago
Might be surprising to some, but the fediverse has good uptaking in France, and the name sounds good to French people I know :-)
- riffic 5y ago
  I like the concept, but the name is terrible. at least it sounds good in French.

technobabble. a better term awaits.

by riffic 5y ago

technobabble. a better term awaits.

No it doesn't, the tech crowd settled on fediverse, make your peace and move on. It's might be dumb sounding term, but then so was "electronic mail" or "wiki".

busterarm 5y ago
It strikes me as weird seeing the tech crowd choose which feudal lords/tribes they belong to, because that's all the fediverse is ultimately. I'll chalk it up to poor understanding of social power structures.
- klabb3 5y ago
  Despite your framing, I'm actually curious about your criticisms. To me, a federated world is strictly better than the increasingly centralized world we find ourselves in. Are you suggesting anything less than fully decentralized is not worth the effort?
  - busterarm 5y ago
    I'm being fairly literal when I say that federated social networking is feudalism. That's not a better/worse value judgment -- just pointing out that some folks make the mistake of believing otherwise. As far as value judgments go though, I've long been saying that the current model for the internet is crushing us; that collectively as a society we should get together and abolish the use and creation of social networking sites (the same way qualuudes don't exist today); and that "skin in the game" should be required for online services -- no more "free" stuff where the product is actually the user. I will gladly pay for an email account that isn't mining my data, or a search engine that's actually useful, etc.
    - streamofdigits 5y ago
      its a maximalist position that is hard to parse. you can run your own instance, keep it very local to a group of friends and family etc. what is feudal about that?
    - klabb3 5y ago
      Thanks for the clarification. The part I disagree with is the binary classification, and also individuals paying is not a guarantee to get free of the power structure, for instance take Youtube premium. It's not obvious that the platform itself must concentrate power, but I totally agree that the power differential is core and needs fixing.

almet 5y ago

Might be surprising to some, but the fediverse has good uptaking in France, and the name sounds good to French people I know :-)

riffic 5y ago
I like the concept, but the name is terrible. at least it sounds good in French.