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> Is this not true, or no longer true? Have I been under a false impression for all this time? Annecdotal evidence, but an acquintance of mine (who is an MD) e

> Is this not true, or no longer true? Have I been under a false impression for all this time? Annecdotal evidence, but an acquintance of mine (who is an MD) encountered Cuban "doctors" in South America and wasn't impressed at all. > I even remember seeing this mentioned in the newspaper at the beginning of the pandemic. The thing is that Cuba made a lot of claims about their handling of the pandemic, but as with every communist country out there it's hard to really know what's really going on.

sudosysgen 5y ago
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- camdat 5y ago
  - perl4ever 5y ago
    What is the connection between Cuba and "Excess mortality in Wuhan city and other parts of China during the three months of the covid-19 outbreak: findings from nationwide mortality registries"? Are you saying that since we know that Chinese statistics are accurate, Cuban statistics must also be?
    - 908B64B197 5y ago
      I don't think there's a connection. I think we might have tripped up some keyword and got a copy-pasted response. Posting history suggest that poster references this study pretty frequently.
      - camdat 5y ago
        I've referenced the study twice in about 50 comments, and only in the past 2 days. Not exactly frequently, and I even acknowledge I'm reposting it in the OP. Incredibly disingenuous to assume everyone that disagrees with you (and with factual data noless) is a bot/shill
        908B64B197 5y ago
        > factual data Nothing about Cuba, so nothing factual here. Wuhan had a lot of international observer since it was the birthplace of the pandemic (and China had to save face and show it was in control). I would be curious to see similar credible data for Cuba.
        camdat 5y ago
        What do you think the word factual means?
        perl4ever 5y ago
        It appears to be a study about Wuhan, in China. Where is the factual data about Cuba in this study? Assuming you've read it, and you know where it is, please give people a hint.
        camdat 5y ago
        Replied in other thread.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      The original argument is that the "communist strategy" for handling the pandemic doesn't work and that they are faking the statistics. Beyond that, given the fact that both of them used very similar tactics, we would expect similar results.
      - perl4ever 5y ago
        If nobody even cares in the first place which country's statistics they are talking about...what is "faking the statistics"? People. Don't. Click. On. Links. And if they do, they sure don't read them. I can't be bothered to read a study promoted by someone who has shown no evidence at all of reading it yet.
        camdat 5y ago
        I posted this study to show that it's likely "communist" countries are not lying about their COVID numbers. I assumed my use of the word "these" would have made that obvious, but given these responses it seems not. I have read the study hence why I posted it (couldn't find a study of similar rigor for Cuba specifically). This study sufficiently shows the point I'm trying to make. To say I didn't read the link to a study I posted is a bit rude no?
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > Are people being locked down? Is mobility down? No? Sure isn't. Food and medicine shortages due to COVID-19 caused the biggest anti Castro regime protests since the 90's [0] [1]. Thanks to the communist regime people are back to starvation. Even the government was forced to acknowledge it because it got so big. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Cuban_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Cuban_protests [1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/americas/cuba-protests/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/americas/cuba-protests/index....
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Food and medicine shortage in Cuba is an unavoidable impact of the pandemic, no matter the measures imposed, for an obvious reason both you and I know - tourism is the only real avenue for Cuba to accumulate foreign currency. Certainly the economy took a hit, and this is true everywhere in the world, but starvation? I'd like to see a source for that, as you haven't provided any. Typically, what happens in situations where island countries cannot acquire foreign currency, is that they cannot import specialty foods, and have to rely on local, low-quality and repetitive sources of nutrition. But it is very unlikely for actual starvation to happen.

sudosysgen 5y ago

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camdat 5y ago
- perl4ever 5y ago
  What is the connection between Cuba and "Excess mortality in Wuhan city and other parts of China during the three months of the covid-19 outbreak: findings from nationwide mortality registries"? Are you saying that since we know that Chinese statistics are accurate, Cuban statistics must also be?
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    I don't think there's a connection. I think we might have tripped up some keyword and got a copy-pasted response. Posting history suggest that poster references this study pretty frequently.
    - camdat 5y ago
      I've referenced the study twice in about 50 comments, and only in the past 2 days. Not exactly frequently, and I even acknowledge I'm reposting it in the OP. Incredibly disingenuous to assume everyone that disagrees with you (and with factual data noless) is a bot/shill
      - 908B64B197 5y ago
        > factual data Nothing about Cuba, so nothing factual here. Wuhan had a lot of international observer since it was the birthplace of the pandemic (and China had to save face and show it was in control). I would be curious to see similar credible data for Cuba.
        camdat 5y ago
        What do you think the word factual means?
        perl4ever 5y ago
        It appears to be a study about Wuhan, in China. Where is the factual data about Cuba in this study? Assuming you've read it, and you know where it is, please give people a hint.
        camdat 5y ago
        Replied in other thread.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    The original argument is that the "communist strategy" for handling the pandemic doesn't work and that they are faking the statistics. Beyond that, given the fact that both of them used very similar tactics, we would expect similar results.
    - perl4ever 5y ago
      If nobody even cares in the first place which country's statistics they are talking about...what is "faking the statistics"? People. Don't. Click. On. Links. And if they do, they sure don't read them. I can't be bothered to read a study promoted by someone who has shown no evidence at all of reading it yet.
      - camdat 5y ago
        I posted this study to show that it's likely "communist" countries are not lying about their COVID numbers. I assumed my use of the word "these" would have made that obvious, but given these responses it seems not. I have read the study hence why I posted it (couldn't find a study of similar rigor for Cuba specifically). This study sufficiently shows the point I'm trying to make. To say I didn't read the link to a study I posted is a bit rude no?
908B64B197 5y ago
> Are people being locked down? Is mobility down? No? Sure isn't. Food and medicine shortages due to COVID-19 caused the biggest anti Castro regime protests since the 90's [0] [1]. Thanks to the communist regime people are back to starvation. Even the government was forced to acknowledge it because it got so big. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Cuban_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Cuban_protests [1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/americas/cuba-protests/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/americas/cuba-protests/index....
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Food and medicine shortage in Cuba is an unavoidable impact of the pandemic, no matter the measures imposed, for an obvious reason both you and I know - tourism is the only real avenue for Cuba to accumulate foreign currency. Certainly the economy took a hit, and this is true everywhere in the world, but starvation? I'd like to see a source for that, as you haven't provided any. Typically, what happens in situations where island countries cannot acquire foreign currency, is that they cannot import specialty foods, and have to rely on local, low-quality and repetitive sources of nutrition. But it is very unlikely for actual starvation to happen.