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Immigrants can vote in their home countries, so they do have input. A nation is not obligated to give you democratic power over itself, just because they let* y

Immigrants can vote in their home countries, so they do have input. A nation is not obligated to give you democratic power over itself, just because they let* you visit. You may as well complain you don't have democratic input if you're a US citizen and can't vote in Mexican elections. *Or, increasingly, they did not let you visit, but your co-ethnics in border states are impeding immigration enforcement so that you can stay regardless.

Broken_Hippo 5y ago
Are you sure immigrants can all vote in their home countries if they don't live there? I am American, and can vote in local elections in Norway because I've lived here, legally, at least 3 years. This isn't uncommon, and I find it fair since these are the things that impact me the most. I cannot vote in national elections. Also fair. On the other hand, the American voting forms for me make sure to ask if I ever intend on living there again. I have limited voting in the US, and I sure as heck don't expect any politician to do anything for me unless it'd look good for propaganda. This is all besides the point: the original post was talking about folks that cannot participate in the democracy they live in. I'm not even sure what you were trying to say with the last comment. Could you please explain it?
- jevoten 5y ago
  What is there to explain? It's common knowledge that states with large immigrant populations demand of their representatives to hinder federal immigration law. Those representatives listened, and have passed laws to that effect: https://www.fairus.org/issue/sanctuary-policies/do-you-live-1-11-sanctuary-states https://www.fairus.org/issue/sanctuary-policies/do-you-live-...
  - Broken_Hippo 5y ago
    Do you have a source that isn't an anti-immigration organization founded by a white supremacist? [1] Preferably something fairly mainstream and not so biased? And to be fair, I've not clicked because I don't really want to support the organization with clicks. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigr...
    - jevoten 5y ago
      Wikipedia also has a list of sanctuary states and cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city#United_States As for being anti-immigration, do you also dismiss all pro-immigration organizations (such as the SPLC) as biased?
8note 5y ago
They're losing out by not letting people who live there vote. People have useful input about their communities, regardless of their citizenship

Broken_Hippo 5y ago

Are you sure immigrants can all vote in their home countries if they don't live there? I am American, and can vote in local elections in Norway because I've lived here, legally, at least 3 years. This isn't uncommon, and I find it fair since these are the things that impact me the most. I cannot vote in national elections. Also fair. On the other hand, the American voting forms for me make sure to ask if I ever intend on living there again. I have limited voting in the US, and I sure as heck don't expect any politician to do anything for me unless it'd look good for propaganda. This is all besides the point: the original post was talking about folks that cannot participate in the democracy they live in. I'm not even sure what you were trying to say with the last comment. Could you please explain it?

jevoten 5y ago
What is there to explain? It's common knowledge that states with large immigrant populations demand of their representatives to hinder federal immigration law. Those representatives listened, and have passed laws to that effect: https://www.fairus.org/issue/sanctuary-policies/do-you-live-1-11-sanctuary-states https://www.fairus.org/issue/sanctuary-policies/do-you-live-...
- Broken_Hippo 5y ago
  Do you have a source that isn't an anti-immigration organization founded by a white supremacist? [1] Preferably something fairly mainstream and not so biased? And to be fair, I've not clicked because I don't really want to support the organization with clicks. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigr...
  - jevoten 5y ago
    Wikipedia also has a list of sanctuary states and cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city#United_States As for being anti-immigration, do you also dismiss all pro-immigration organizations (such as the SPLC) as biased?

8note 5y ago

They're losing out by not letting people who live there vote. People have useful input about their communities, regardless of their citizenship