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> Yes. And still the US had less CO2 production, less plastic waste, and more sustainable lifestyle. This is frankly, an absurdly ridiculous comparison. Pitts

> Yes. And still the US had less CO2 production, less plastic waste, and more sustainable lifestyle. This is frankly, an absurdly ridiculous comparison. Pittsburgh and Lorain, Ohio, where I had relatives working in the steel mills were completely choked out by smog/industrial pollution. The sky routinely glowed orange as in a volcanic eruption or the Great Day of Orange during the wild fires in the Bay Area! Everything and everyone was covered in soot. Buildings turned black. My old landlord's personal entertainment as a kid was watching dump trucks pour slag onto heaps - watching the molten embers cascade. People heated their houses with coal, which was dumped directly into their basements. Houses in Pittsburgh from that era have a lone, unenclosed toilet and often shower in their unfinished basements (Pittsburgh potty), so the workers could hose down without ruining their house. Rivers were treated as interstate highways at best - the Cuyahoga caught on fire for the Nth time in Cleveland (the EPA is created in the 1970s). Loads of kids routinely died from now treatable diseases! It was just a routine part of life. Cities were violent. Police just shot fleeing suspects in the back! 1973 saw multiple bombings daily. Police stations being bombed was so quotidian, it didn't even make the front page!

ch4s3 5y ago
This stats sheet from the NYPD is wild[1]. They shot and injured least 221 people in 1971, and killed a further 91. That's 1/3 the number of total US police shootings in 2019 by 1 police department when they weren't required to even track that number. [1] http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/pr/2010_fdr_preliminary_stats.pdf http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/pr/2010_fdr_preli...
coldtea 5y ago
>This is frankly, an absurdly ridiculous comparison. Pittsburgh and Lorain, Ohio, where I had relatives working in the steel mills were completely choked out by smog/industrial pollution Not really relevant to the claim, is it? 1880 England cities were also filled with coal smoke, but still had less CO2 production...
- kansface 5y ago
  The claim is absurd even if its factually true. Why would you possibly care about CO2 when visibility is 4 blocks, your lungs are filled with coal dust, life expectancy was 2 decades shorter, and kids are dying of polio and smallpox? Its missing the forest for the trees. Its a paperclip maximizing argument... advanced by a human!
- ch4s3 5y ago
  > less CO2 production Locally? Probably not. As a nation, sure. More importantly though, their quality of life was terrible.

ch4s3 5y ago

This stats sheet from the NYPD is wild[1]. They shot and injured least 221 people in 1971, and killed a further 91. That's 1/3 the number of total US police shootings in 2019 by 1 police department when they weren't required to even track that number. [1] http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/pr/2010_fdr_preliminary_stats.pdf http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/pr/2010_fdr_preli...

coldtea 5y ago

>This is frankly, an absurdly ridiculous comparison. Pittsburgh and Lorain, Ohio, where I had relatives working in the steel mills were completely choked out by smog/industrial pollution Not really relevant to the claim, is it? 1880 England cities were also filled with coal smoke, but still had less CO2 production...

kansface 5y ago
The claim is absurd even if its factually true. Why would you possibly care about CO2 when visibility is 4 blocks, your lungs are filled with coal dust, life expectancy was 2 decades shorter, and kids are dying of polio and smallpox? Its missing the forest for the trees. Its a paperclip maximizing argument... advanced by a human!
ch4s3 5y ago
> less CO2 production Locally? Probably not. As a nation, sure. More importantly though, their quality of life was terrible.