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I don't know the numbers but mid 2000's J2ME was a very popular mobile platform. Don't know why it fizzled out.

by myth_drannon 5y ago

a-dub 5y ago
ahh yeah. forgot all about the wapiverse. afaik there was really only one application, and that was the wap browser which was really simple except for ssl support. i think most people didn't even realize their phones had something browserlike back then and even if they did it was tough to use. i never used it. google's sms gateway was more useful for my purposes.
TeaDude 5y ago
Not a J2ME developer but I've heard time and time again that it had extremely poor cross platform compatibility and each different handset needed modifications to the source to get it to function. This was back when there were a million competing incompatible handsets. Not a fun time!
native_samples 5y ago
It was basically sort of like the web but for mobile Java - a whole bunch of not entirely compatible and uniquely buggy implementations, to which adding features was a very slow committee driven process meaning every new feature got reimplemented in 4 different incompatible APIs first. Additionally at the time the mobile makers were totally in hock to carriers, who usually insisted on having their own app stores with totally developer hostile processes. So to even run on a lot of phones was a huge PITA because you had to get every carrier to sign the "midlet" and they had no easy process for this. So the issue was not so much Java the tech - Android proved that - but more the model around how it was managed. Android took the basic concept of J2ME, dropped the actual APIs and design-by-committee (triggering the lawsuit with Sun/Oracle in the process), created a robust open source implementation, gave it away for free and invested heavily in their app store tech. And that led to success.

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I don't know the numbers but mid 2000's J2ME was a very popular mobile platform. Don't know why it fizzled out.

by myth_drannon 5y ago

I don't know the numbers but mid 2000's J2ME was a very popular mobile platform. Don't know why it fizzled out.

a-dub 5y ago
ahh yeah. forgot all about the wapiverse. afaik there was really only one application, and that was the wap browser which was really simple except for ssl support. i think most people didn't even realize their phones had something browserlike back then and even if they did it was tough to use. i never used it. google's sms gateway was more useful for my purposes.
TeaDude 5y ago
Not a J2ME developer but I've heard time and time again that it had extremely poor cross platform compatibility and each different handset needed modifications to the source to get it to function. This was back when there were a million competing incompatible handsets. Not a fun time!
native_samples 5y ago
It was basically sort of like the web but for mobile Java - a whole bunch of not entirely compatible and uniquely buggy implementations, to which adding features was a very slow committee driven process meaning every new feature got reimplemented in 4 different incompatible APIs first. Additionally at the time the mobile makers were totally in hock to carriers, who usually insisted on having their own app stores with totally developer hostile processes. So to even run on a lot of phones was a huge PITA because you had to get every carrier to sign the "midlet" and they had no easy process for this. So the issue was not so much Java the tech - Android proved that - but more the model around how it was managed. Android took the basic concept of J2ME, dropped the actual APIs and design-by-committee (triggering the lawsuit with Sun/Oracle in the process), created a robust open source implementation, gave it away for free and invested heavily in their app store tech. And that led to success.