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So forget about paying an old guy more for experience that provides more value than anticipated when job is posted? Also that high school dropout that I will ha

So forget about paying an old guy more for experience that provides more value than anticipated when job is posted? Also that high school dropout that I will have to train for a year before she is of any use? Hard pass, since I committed to a certain salary I might as well keep looking for my money's worth.

geofft 5y ago
You have to post the minimum and maximum salary. They can be different. You also don't have to commit: it just has to be "in good faith." Here's the text of the bill: https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3713951&GUID=E7B03ABA-8F42-4341-A0D2-50E2F95320CD&Options=&Search= https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3...
wnevets 5y ago
I'm kind of confused by this comment. Why is the highly experienced "old guy" and high school drop out woman (you called them a she) both applying for the exact same position but for different pay? Why isn't the person who requires a year of training applying for a Jr. position and the person with a lot of experience applying for a Sr. position?
- cat_plus_plus 5y ago
  Because they both want a job quickly and limited choices are available where they live?
  - wnevets 5y ago
    >Because they both want a job quickly and limited choices are available where they live? You described two different positions with two difference experience requirements and two different salaries.
- erik_seaberg 5y ago
  The problem today is that you have to interview to find out what rate they’ll offer. If you’d have to interview to find out what “level” or “title” they’d offer, and that would determine the rate, nothing has really changed.
  - wnevets 5y ago
    If they're two different positions with two experience requirements and two different salaries, why shouldn't they be advertised as such? Jr cat_plus_plus Technician: Minimum to no experience required. $15 to $20 a hour Sr cat_plus_plus Technician: Atleast 5 years experience required. $40 to $50 a hour
    - erik_seaberg 5y ago
      The positions aren’t really separate. They will invent a $20–$30 title and a $30–40 title and a $50–$75 title and use whichever one should convince you to join after the interview.
      - wnevets 5y ago
        once again, why shouldn't they be advertised as different positions? You can absolutely advertise for multiple positions and only hire for one them.

geofft 5y ago

You have to post the minimum and maximum salary. They can be different. You also don't have to commit: it just has to be "in good faith." Here's the text of the bill: https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3713951&GUID=E7B03ABA-8F42-4341-A0D2-50E2F95320CD&Options=&Search= https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3...

wnevets 5y ago

I'm kind of confused by this comment. Why is the highly experienced "old guy" and high school drop out woman (you called them a she) both applying for the exact same position but for different pay? Why isn't the person who requires a year of training applying for a Jr. position and the person with a lot of experience applying for a Sr. position?

cat_plus_plus 5y ago
Because they both want a job quickly and limited choices are available where they live?
- wnevets 5y ago
  >Because they both want a job quickly and limited choices are available where they live? You described two different positions with two difference experience requirements and two different salaries.
erik_seaberg 5y ago
The problem today is that you have to interview to find out what rate they’ll offer. If you’d have to interview to find out what “level” or “title” they’d offer, and that would determine the rate, nothing has really changed.
- wnevets 5y ago
  If they're two different positions with two experience requirements and two different salaries, why shouldn't they be advertised as such? Jr cat_plus_plus Technician: Minimum to no experience required. $15 to $20 a hour Sr cat_plus_plus Technician: Atleast 5 years experience required. $40 to $50 a hour
  - erik_seaberg 5y ago
    The positions aren’t really separate. They will invent a $20–$30 title and a $30–40 title and a $50–$75 title and use whichever one should convince you to join after the interview.
    - wnevets 5y ago
      once again, why shouldn't they be advertised as different positions? You can absolutely advertise for multiple positions and only hire for one them.