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For real. This is a subject that I find immensely fascinating and endlessly exciting. It's massive and we're barely starting to figure out that there's a surfac

For real. This is a subject that I find immensely fascinating and endlessly exciting. It's massive and we're barely starting to figure out that there's a surface we can even scratch (even though some segments of study have been shouting about it for some time, even if they've been a bit inaccurate or clumsy about it). The more I learn, the less I seem to know. For example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026265X21006445 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026265X2... https://www.pnas.org/content/113/31/8753 https://www.pnas.org/content/113/31/8753 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5433113/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5433113/

kranke155 5y ago
These articles are weird and amazing, thanks for sharing. Do share if you have more.
- 2-718-281-828 5y ago
  In deed - that's some interesting rabbit hole to descend down into ... "biophotons" and "ultra-weak photon emission" - wtf
- 52-6F-62 5y ago
  I'm really just stumbling onto the material elements of the subject after some shameless deep dives into the weird but sensical. What staggers me, because maybe it makes it see more real, is that biophotons are increasingly being witnessed as local and non-local information carriers. In humans, but not just in humans. (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep36508 https://www.nature.com/articles/srep36508, http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kcreath/pdf/pubs/2005_KC_GES_SPIE_v5866p338.pdf http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kcreath/pdf/pubs/2005_KC_GES_SPIE_..., https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30381897/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30381897/, http://www.rrp.infim.ro/2008_60_3/43-885-898.pdf http://www.rrp.infim.ro/2008_60_3/43-885-898.pdf —probably a lot of crossover between these, I haven't read them through) I'm ultimately ignorant, but when you put that information beside some of the other weirdness we see in frontier physics or start to consider what that kind of thing means on various time scales and the questions that start to arise are eye opening. It's the realm of philosophy that takes the range of information into account that really thrills me, but understanding some of the mechanics will open up new possibilities that are really exciting (if its a bit early to get that excited). Whatever. I find it exciting, and sometimes I'm amazed more people don't find it more exciting.
  - 2-718-281-828 5y ago
    Every cell in a living system is evolving in a feedback loop with every single aspect of its environment. Every systematic influcence of any kind will become a signal and impact development and progression of that cell. In other words if life forms radiate photons that can be received by other life forms then in the long run this will exert some sort of evolutionary pressure to use that signal in some way which will then cause evolutionary pressure to make use of that signal with regard to its emission. Take anything. So if there are quantum effects on atoms and hence cells, then it makes sense to hypothesize that systematic utilization will have evolved. I find this totally intuitive. And yet, even educated people will laugh at you for formulating such a farfetched idea.
dr_dshiv 5y ago
I dunno, I can't imagine these biophotons having any effect when there are so many other major influences... Crazy to see, thanks for sharing.

kranke155 5y ago

These articles are weird and amazing, thanks for sharing. Do share if you have more.

2-718-281-828 5y ago
In deed - that's some interesting rabbit hole to descend down into ... "biophotons" and "ultra-weak photon emission" - wtf
52-6F-62 5y ago
I'm really just stumbling onto the material elements of the subject after some shameless deep dives into the weird but sensical. What staggers me, because maybe it makes it see more real, is that biophotons are increasingly being witnessed as local and non-local information carriers. In humans, but not just in humans. (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep36508 https://www.nature.com/articles/srep36508, http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kcreath/pdf/pubs/2005_KC_GES_SPIE_v5866p338.pdf http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kcreath/pdf/pubs/2005_KC_GES_SPIE_..., https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30381897/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30381897/, http://www.rrp.infim.ro/2008_60_3/43-885-898.pdf http://www.rrp.infim.ro/2008_60_3/43-885-898.pdf —probably a lot of crossover between these, I haven't read them through) I'm ultimately ignorant, but when you put that information beside some of the other weirdness we see in frontier physics or start to consider what that kind of thing means on various time scales and the questions that start to arise are eye opening. It's the realm of philosophy that takes the range of information into account that really thrills me, but understanding some of the mechanics will open up new possibilities that are really exciting (if its a bit early to get that excited). Whatever. I find it exciting, and sometimes I'm amazed more people don't find it more exciting.
- 2-718-281-828 5y ago
  Every cell in a living system is evolving in a feedback loop with every single aspect of its environment. Every systematic influcence of any kind will become a signal and impact development and progression of that cell. In other words if life forms radiate photons that can be received by other life forms then in the long run this will exert some sort of evolutionary pressure to use that signal in some way which will then cause evolutionary pressure to make use of that signal with regard to its emission. Take anything. So if there are quantum effects on atoms and hence cells, then it makes sense to hypothesize that systematic utilization will have evolved. I find this totally intuitive. And yet, even educated people will laugh at you for formulating such a farfetched idea.

dr_dshiv 5y ago

I dunno, I can't imagine these biophotons having any effect when there are so many other major influences... Crazy to see, thanks for sharing.