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I don’t think that’s common at all outside the US. I’d argue that even suggesting that would get you blank stares for its absurdity. I don’t think anyone has b

by feupan 5y ago

I don’t think that’s common at all outside the US. I’d argue that even suggesting that would get you blank stares for its absurdity. I don’t think anyone has been expecting a paid-for device for the past two years just because to work you have to install Zoom, even in the US.

chrisseaton 5y ago
> I don’t think anyone has been expecting a paid-for device for the past two years just because to work you have to install Zoom. Most employees have to buy their own work tech devices outside of the US?
- AdrianB1 5y ago
  To some extent, yes. My employer is a big US-based company, but in my country (Romania) I bought my own phone, external monitors, mouse etc. If you are high ranking or well connected you get some of these via internal IT supply system, but the quality is very basic, ex. they expect developers to work on $125 monitors - what the fine art of magic can you do with that? Managers have iPhones paid by the company, company cars, etc. but most working people have to find a way to work on their own. There are companies that provide some budget for work equipment, but unless it is mandatory by law the budget and quality of equipment varies a lot, from good to terrible or none.
- feupan 5y ago
  If you’re at the office no, but I suppose you only get a company phone if your job is to communicate.
regularfry 5y ago
Zoom's not going anywhere near my personal devices. Nor is MS Teams, or any other communicator with work credentials. We (big employer in the UK) can order paid-for devices on the corporate purchasing system. It works out best for everyone: they can control the device, I can turn it off at the end of the day, and nobody has to see my reaction when they say "oh yeah, now we can remote-brick your personal phone."
- Sunspark 5y ago
  Yes, always buy or use your erased previous device for applications that require work credentials. When WFH became more widespread at the office in 2020, the local mgmt team told everyone to enter all sorts of information into a spreadsheet like their IMEI number, etc. Then people discovered after the fact that their personal devices were now managed devices. Cue surprised faces. MDM rejects bootloader unlocked devices, so even if you have extra devices you might not be able to use them because of that or the OS version being too low to please them. A good alternative if available, is to use Citrix Receiver instead, it doesn't require MDM and doesn't require permissions. It does require an RSA keyfob.

by feupan 5y ago

chrisseaton 5y ago

> I don’t think anyone has been expecting a paid-for device for the past two years just because to work you have to install Zoom. Most employees have to buy their own work tech devices outside of the US?

AdrianB1 5y ago
To some extent, yes. My employer is a big US-based company, but in my country (Romania) I bought my own phone, external monitors, mouse etc. If you are high ranking or well connected you get some of these via internal IT supply system, but the quality is very basic, ex. they expect developers to work on $125 monitors - what the fine art of magic can you do with that? Managers have iPhones paid by the company, company cars, etc. but most working people have to find a way to work on their own. There are companies that provide some budget for work equipment, but unless it is mandatory by law the budget and quality of equipment varies a lot, from good to terrible or none.
feupan 5y ago
If you’re at the office no, but I suppose you only get a company phone if your job is to communicate.

regularfry 5y ago

Zoom's not going anywhere near my personal devices. Nor is MS Teams, or any other communicator with work credentials. We (big employer in the UK) can order paid-for devices on the corporate purchasing system. It works out best for everyone: they can control the device, I can turn it off at the end of the day, and nobody has to see my reaction when they say "oh yeah, now we can remote-brick your personal phone."

Sunspark 5y ago
Yes, always buy or use your erased previous device for applications that require work credentials. When WFH became more widespread at the office in 2020, the local mgmt team told everyone to enter all sorts of information into a spreadsheet like their IMEI number, etc. Then people discovered after the fact that their personal devices were now managed devices. Cue surprised faces. MDM rejects bootloader unlocked devices, so even if you have extra devices you might not be able to use them because of that or the OS version being too low to please them. A good alternative if available, is to use Citrix Receiver instead, it doesn't require MDM and doesn't require permissions. It does require an RSA keyfob.