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Americans haven't yet begun to understand the full impact there.

by ISL 5y ago

sokoloff 5y ago
The cognitive dissonance I see on this issue is wild to observe. “Basecamp pays San Francisco salaries no matter where you are; I’m sure that’s what everyone else will decide to do…” I’d bet heavily against that being the point of convergence.
dwater 5y ago
What do you think is different now from how offshoring has been done for the past 20+ years in the tech sector? Or 50+ years in manufacturing? My employer has thousands of engineers in India, and yet they are still hiring as many US based engineers as they can at the moment. Of course some organizations will do more offshoring as remote work becomes more common, but I don't see the shift to remote work resulting in too many organizations suddenly moving all their tech jobs to Vietnam in the next few years.
- spaetzleesser 5y ago
  Having people in approximately the same time zone and without language or cultural differences makes managing work much easier. Offshoring is very hard and if you are not careful very inefficient.
- simplestats 5y ago
  I'm sure they're hiring anyone they can in India too. If they could completely cover their technical staffing needs there (both in terms of numbers but also the higher skill levels that are hardest to find) you'd be in trouble. I have worked in niches in the past that are now almost completely handled in India. And I had to move on to doing something new, despite the fact that my employer still has tons of tech staff (in fact most of it) in the US too.
TimedToasts 5y ago
Many of us have. It's very unfortunate that the Covid-anxiety many people have about returning to an office is driving them in the direction of always-remote. Fear is the mind-killer, as they say.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  For years people around here have been clamoring for more remote work flexibility, along with near-universal objection to a now-forgotten annoyance that previously plagued this industry: the tyranny of the open office. Sure there may be people who don't want to go back because of the disease, but many in tech likely don't want to go back simply because they've now realized two of their long-ignored objectives.

Americans haven't yet begun to understand the full impact there.

by ISL 5y ago

Americans haven't yet begun to understand the full impact there.

The cognitive dissonance I see on this issue is wild to observe. “Basecamp pays San Francisco salaries no matter where you are; I’m sure that’s what everyone else will decide to do…” I’d bet heavily against that being the point of convergence.

dwater 5y ago

What do you think is different now from how offshoring has been done for the past 20+ years in the tech sector? Or 50+ years in manufacturing? My employer has thousands of engineers in India, and yet they are still hiring as many US based engineers as they can at the moment. Of course some organizations will do more offshoring as remote work becomes more common, but I don't see the shift to remote work resulting in too many organizations suddenly moving all their tech jobs to Vietnam in the next few years.

spaetzleesser 5y ago
Having people in approximately the same time zone and without language or cultural differences makes managing work much easier. Offshoring is very hard and if you are not careful very inefficient.
simplestats 5y ago
I'm sure they're hiring anyone they can in India too. If they could completely cover their technical staffing needs there (both in terms of numbers but also the higher skill levels that are hardest to find) you'd be in trouble. I have worked in niches in the past that are now almost completely handled in India. And I had to move on to doing something new, despite the fact that my employer still has tons of tech staff (in fact most of it) in the US too.

TimedToasts 5y ago

Many of us have. It's very unfortunate that the Covid-anxiety many people have about returning to an office is driving them in the direction of always-remote. Fear is the mind-killer, as they say.

Apocryphon 5y ago
For years people around here have been clamoring for more remote work flexibility, along with near-universal objection to a now-forgotten annoyance that previously plagued this industry: the tyranny of the open office. Sure there may be people who don't want to go back because of the disease, but many in tech likely don't want to go back simply because they've now realized two of their long-ignored objectives.