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What if that's the case? What if me replying to you is nothing more than some atomically basic mechanism of statistical inference and randomness? Your entire pe

What if that's the case? What if me replying to you is nothing more than some atomically basic mechanism of statistical inference and randomness? Your entire perception of my personhood could be based on a sense of verisimilitude without significant reasoning to set me apart from a transcendant spirit. What then? Would you be less forgiving of my mistakes if you knew? Would you be less proud of work we collaborate on?

pessimizer 5y ago
The "What if human faces are actually power outlets?" theory.
Majestic121 5y ago
I think like OP that it's mostly math and tricks, and that we're far from reaching it yet. But then, the conclusion is not to be less forgiving, but more forgiving : we're all just meat machines, we should be forgiving toward each other's flaw (not naive mind you, but forgiving), and proud of what we reach collectively with our lowly condition.
- mike00632 5y ago
  I mean, what if we're all math and tricks, i.e. that consciousness is an illusion. We might be chasing an "it" that doesn't exist. In a more practical sense, what I'm getting at is that we might be applying an arbitrary or undefined standard to AI progress, especially when we compare it to people.
pwinnski 5y ago
My point is the other way around. If I knew for certain that you and I were perfectly deterministic, it wouldn't change anything about how I viewed you (especially since some days I'm pretty sure we're all deterministically-driven), but it would suggest to me that our best efforts at AGI are probably at somewhere in the .00000000000001% range as complex as they need to be to even begin to approximate our human levels of intelligence or understanding. Or worse.
pdimitar 5y ago
> What then? Would you be less forgiving of my mistakes if you knew? Would you be less proud of work we collaborate on? Needlessly philosophical on a thread about chat bots but to respond to your questions: I would not give a damn either way. If I came to you (whatever you are as an entity) then I'll expect coherent and intelligent answers to my questions. I don't care about how you produce them.

pessimizer 5y ago

The "What if human faces are actually power outlets?" theory.

Majestic121 5y ago

I think like OP that it's mostly math and tricks, and that we're far from reaching it yet. But then, the conclusion is not to be less forgiving, but more forgiving : we're all just meat machines, we should be forgiving toward each other's flaw (not naive mind you, but forgiving), and proud of what we reach collectively with our lowly condition.

mike00632 5y ago
I mean, what if we're all math and tricks, i.e. that consciousness is an illusion. We might be chasing an "it" that doesn't exist. In a more practical sense, what I'm getting at is that we might be applying an arbitrary or undefined standard to AI progress, especially when we compare it to people.

pwinnski 5y ago

My point is the other way around. If I knew for certain that you and I were perfectly deterministic, it wouldn't change anything about how I viewed you (especially since some days I'm pretty sure we're all deterministically-driven), but it would suggest to me that our best efforts at AGI are probably at somewhere in the .00000000000001% range as complex as they need to be to even begin to approximate our human levels of intelligence or understanding. Or worse.

pdimitar 5y ago

> What then? Would you be less forgiving of my mistakes if you knew? Would you be less proud of work we collaborate on? Needlessly philosophical on a thread about chat bots but to respond to your questions: I would not give a damn either way. If I came to you (whatever you are as an entity) then I'll expect coherent and intelligent answers to my questions. I don't care about how you produce them.