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> The framing that Uber and Doordash are exploiting the workers' own capital Where did you get any such "framing"? I'm saying that, since the capital and labo

> The framing that Uber and Doordash are exploiting the workers' own capital Where did you get any such "framing"? I'm saying that, since the capital and labor BOTH are "crowdsourced," you can't analyze it as exemplifying just labor relations. > completely ignores that the cars were unproductive, sunk cost capital until these platforms arrived That's false in general and also a very stupid way of thinking about it. The idea of people making use of their cars as capital is just so commonplace, you have to be actively seeking out stupidity to overlook it.

motohagiography 5y ago
Someone owning a car without using it to generate income, leverage, or opportunity is the definition of unproductive capital rotting in a driveway. The uber for x platforms are market makers, which is about as valuable a service as it gets. The only ones it seems to bother are those who would seek to exploit people politically. The platforms have pernicious pratices, certainly, but the political outrage about the the gig economy has served mainly to discourage competitors from entering the market to make it better. I'd argue the critics of the gig economy are ensconcing the very platforms they're complaining about by threatening the market - and they have never solved a problem they didn't first invent by characterizing everything as exploitation from the outset. This is about par for the course for people who don't solve problems with discovery, technology, or consensus, but rather, invent problems to leverage them politically and add them to the portfolio of things they create rules for and manage. These are not reconcilable world views, but when one is committed to the logic of an idea, I sympathize with how they might interpret inconsistency with it as stupid.
- DarylZero 5y ago
  > Someone owning a car without using it to generate income The point is you're just _making up_ the "fact" of people not using their cars to generate income. Cars depreciate when you drive them, people recognize their value as capital, the IRS recognizes their value as capital. You're idiotically trying to pretend that they don't count as capital. For no real reason either. Just because you said something stupid before and you can't admit it. > market makers, which is about as valuable a service as it gets LOL!!
- all2well 5y ago
  People already get leverage on their car via car loans
- all2well 5y ago
  Isn't any business always looking to "add to the portfolio of things they create rules for and manage"

motohagiography 5y ago

Someone owning a car without using it to generate income, leverage, or opportunity is the definition of unproductive capital rotting in a driveway. The uber for x platforms are market makers, which is about as valuable a service as it gets. The only ones it seems to bother are those who would seek to exploit people politically. The platforms have pernicious pratices, certainly, but the political outrage about the the gig economy has served mainly to discourage competitors from entering the market to make it better. I'd argue the critics of the gig economy are ensconcing the very platforms they're complaining about by threatening the market - and they have never solved a problem they didn't first invent by characterizing everything as exploitation from the outset. This is about par for the course for people who don't solve problems with discovery, technology, or consensus, but rather, invent problems to leverage them politically and add them to the portfolio of things they create rules for and manage. These are not reconcilable world views, but when one is committed to the logic of an idea, I sympathize with how they might interpret inconsistency with it as stupid.

DarylZero 5y ago
> Someone owning a car without using it to generate income The point is you're just _making up_ the "fact" of people not using their cars to generate income. Cars depreciate when you drive them, people recognize their value as capital, the IRS recognizes their value as capital. You're idiotically trying to pretend that they don't count as capital. For no real reason either. Just because you said something stupid before and you can't admit it. > market makers, which is about as valuable a service as it gets LOL!!
all2well 5y ago
People already get leverage on their car via car loans
all2well 5y ago
Isn't any business always looking to "add to the portfolio of things they create rules for and manage"