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>Even on a personal level, say a car lets me do a trip in 30 minutes instead of 2 hours walking. I don't relax for an hour and a half. I go check more things of

>Even on a personal level, say a car lets me do a trip in 30 minutes instead of 2 hours walking. I don't relax for an hour and a half. I go check more things off my todo list. This is why all the modern conviences that people adore, including myself, just makes our lives more cluttered and anxiety ridden. Nothing is freeing up our time so that we can focus on self care, relaxation, valuable time with family. It just makes us more able to cram more stuff in. And the "to do list" is never ending. There's always yard work, house work, more constructive things your kids could be doing to get them ahead in life, maybe you could now afford some extra education to further your career, there's always just.. SOMETHING to fill in the new holes we now have. It's not just businesses and profit motives. and one day you look back at it all and often you find that 2 hour walk, was probably mentally and physically healthier for you. How many things in life are like this - where we've scarified our mental health, physical/nutritional health, our privacy, ownership rights, and other rights all in the name of a convenient technology that "simplifies" one problem for us while creating 10 more in it's wake? Then we're all convinced that this new, convenient thing is super valuable and can't be done without.

chasd00 5y ago
well the problem is people don't put "self care, relaxation, valuable time with family" on the TODO list. ever. If you make it a priority then you'd get it done.
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  People tend to think meditation (or longer prayer) is a waste of time bc you aren't "doing anything". And once you have anxiety and depression (for most) and only then, Do you realize thats kinda the point.
- webmaven 5y ago
  > well the problem is people don't put "self care, relaxation, valuable time with family" on the TODO list. ever. If you make it a priority then you'd get it done. In general people seem to be fairly bad at getting things that are important but not urgent (hat tip to the Eisenhower Matrix) done unless they establish a habit for it. Holidays are valuable in that they at least reduce the need for coordination between multiple parties somewhat, at least for "valuable time with family", but they don't really help with the "self care and relaxation" bucket. Quite the contrary, for many.
  - loudtieblahblah 5y ago
    Western styled families are designed for maximum generational conflict. I'm not against capitalism outright, so don't mistake this as a leftist snipe, but consumerism and the lifestyle of it has really separated us from each other. Not just in the stuff we buy but in the constant cultural and sub-cultural fracturing going on. We're obsessed with identity (not just politically) as a society and consumerism drives it as much, if not more, than identity politics. People want to belong. And identity is a way to do so. But we've lost roots with religion, community and family. And the further we get away from it, the more stressful dealing with community and family become. I could go on more about religion.. I'm atheist but have grown to see the evolutionsiry advntage of it and the socio/psychological problems it solved and how the trade off of its rejections and what we get out of that rejection... Isn't a good deal. Until we confront all of this... Anxiety, depression, suicide, all of this will increase. Call it hippy dippy. But being connected to nature and family and community has value that's hard to quantify and hard for a headline or a brand or a political slogan to sell you. And we're losing it. Teenagers and 20 somethings don't see it. It's only when life is hard at 30-40+, does it begin to dawn on most.
    - webmaven 5y ago
      I'm not sure I get the connection you're making between nuclear families, intergenerational conflict, and consumerism.

chasd00 5y ago

well the problem is people don't put "self care, relaxation, valuable time with family" on the TODO list. ever. If you make it a priority then you'd get it done.

loudtieblahblah 5y ago
People tend to think meditation (or longer prayer) is a waste of time bc you aren't "doing anything". And once you have anxiety and depression (for most) and only then, Do you realize thats kinda the point.
webmaven 5y ago
> well the problem is people don't put "self care, relaxation, valuable time with family" on the TODO list. ever. If you make it a priority then you'd get it done. In general people seem to be fairly bad at getting things that are important but not urgent (hat tip to the Eisenhower Matrix) done unless they establish a habit for it. Holidays are valuable in that they at least reduce the need for coordination between multiple parties somewhat, at least for "valuable time with family", but they don't really help with the "self care and relaxation" bucket. Quite the contrary, for many.
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  Western styled families are designed for maximum generational conflict. I'm not against capitalism outright, so don't mistake this as a leftist snipe, but consumerism and the lifestyle of it has really separated us from each other. Not just in the stuff we buy but in the constant cultural and sub-cultural fracturing going on. We're obsessed with identity (not just politically) as a society and consumerism drives it as much, if not more, than identity politics. People want to belong. And identity is a way to do so. But we've lost roots with religion, community and family. And the further we get away from it, the more stressful dealing with community and family become. I could go on more about religion.. I'm atheist but have grown to see the evolutionsiry advntage of it and the socio/psychological problems it solved and how the trade off of its rejections and what we get out of that rejection... Isn't a good deal. Until we confront all of this... Anxiety, depression, suicide, all of this will increase. Call it hippy dippy. But being connected to nature and family and community has value that's hard to quantify and hard for a headline or a brand or a political slogan to sell you. And we're losing it. Teenagers and 20 somethings don't see it. It's only when life is hard at 30-40+, does it begin to dawn on most.
  - webmaven 5y ago
    I'm not sure I get the connection you're making between nuclear families, intergenerational conflict, and consumerism.