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It actually failed at what Bill Gates feared it would to: it is pervasive, but not a competition to Windows and the Windows GUI stack. Smartcards were never MS'

by samus 5y ago

It actually failed at what Bill Gates feared it would to: it is pervasive, but not a competition to Windows and the Windows GUI stack. Smartcards were never MS's target market, and nobody was yet thinking about smartphones.

fundad 5y ago
The move to server-based experiences made the Mac competitive and made iOS wildly useful despite not bundling jvm. I think what most helped it was that it was the common language against early commercially-supported app servers from big vendors. BSD started as a Pascal compiler for Unix and enabled a community of researchers to work with a common language on machines more accessible than those from DEC. Bill was right that consumer-oriented products with server-side software had Java as the wind at their backs.
- samus 5y ago
  Exactly, it was the Web that threatened Microsoft. But Java is not the only player that could have dominated in the backend. Also, the backend lost its importance to the frontend, where the HTML/JavaScript/CSS (both in the browser and as Electron) stack rules.
Someone 5y ago
> Smartcards were never MS's target market https://techmonitor.ai/technology/microsoft_to_slash_smart_card_prices_with_new_os https://techmonitor.ai/technology/microsoft_to_slash_smart_c...: “Microsoft Corp has plunged into the smart card market with an operating systems that will compete with existing systems such as MultOS and Java Card […] Microsoft’s Smart Cards for Windows is an 8-bit operating system with 8K of ROM” That was October 1998. About a year later, there was https://news.microsoft.com/1999/11/15/microsoft-delivers-windows-for-smart-cards/ https://news.microsoft.com/1999/11/15/microsoft-delivers-win... I don’t think that went far, but they certainly tried.
- samus 5y ago
  Entering existing markets is not easy at all if the newcomers don't have significant advantages.
retro64 5y ago
"...thinking about smartphones." Actually, people were, even the non-technical everyday Joe. I remember a sales guy commenting once at a beginning of a meeting as he pulled out his PDA and set his oversized cell on the table "I'm just waiting for the day they combine these together so I only have to carry one of these". I think this would have been 1998 or 99, but people talked about "PDA phones" for quite some time before the iPhone appeared on the scene. The technology just wasn't there, and the CE based PDAs were clunky, nearly useless.
- samus 5y ago
  True. I also forgot about Java ME...

by samus 5y ago

fundad 5y ago

The move to server-based experiences made the Mac competitive and made iOS wildly useful despite not bundling jvm. I think what most helped it was that it was the common language against early commercially-supported app servers from big vendors. BSD started as a Pascal compiler for Unix and enabled a community of researchers to work with a common language on machines more accessible than those from DEC. Bill was right that consumer-oriented products with server-side software had Java as the wind at their backs.

samus 5y ago
Exactly, it was the Web that threatened Microsoft. But Java is not the only player that could have dominated in the backend. Also, the backend lost its importance to the frontend, where the HTML/JavaScript/CSS (both in the browser and as Electron) stack rules.

Someone 5y ago

> Smartcards were never MS's target market https://techmonitor.ai/technology/microsoft_to_slash_smart_card_prices_with_new_os https://techmonitor.ai/technology/microsoft_to_slash_smart_c...: “Microsoft Corp has plunged into the smart card market with an operating systems that will compete with existing systems such as MultOS and Java Card […] Microsoft’s Smart Cards for Windows is an 8-bit operating system with 8K of ROM” That was October 1998. About a year later, there was https://news.microsoft.com/1999/11/15/microsoft-delivers-windows-for-smart-cards/ https://news.microsoft.com/1999/11/15/microsoft-delivers-win... I don’t think that went far, but they certainly tried.

samus 5y ago
Entering existing markets is not easy at all if the newcomers don't have significant advantages.

retro64 5y ago

"...thinking about smartphones." Actually, people were, even the non-technical everyday Joe. I remember a sales guy commenting once at a beginning of a meeting as he pulled out his PDA and set his oversized cell on the table "I'm just waiting for the day they combine these together so I only have to carry one of these". I think this would have been 1998 or 99, but people talked about "PDA phones" for quite some time before the iPhone appeared on the scene. The technology just wasn't there, and the CE based PDAs were clunky, nearly useless.

samus 5y ago
True. I also forgot about Java ME...