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Kazakhstan asked CSTO contries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_O

Kazakhstan asked CSTO contries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Org...) to do that, whether we like this or not (I don't). So that's nothing bizzare, and 3000 Russian paratroopers (plus 1000 from other conutries) don't make such a huge country a puppet state. P.S. So funny, you complain you don't get the logic, and I get downvoted for explaining it, rather than calling names.

siva7 5y ago
It absolutely is bizarre, even if they are military allies. Can you imagine Canada asking for US military on their own grounds to fight civilian protests? Me neither. That’s a definition of puppet state.
- culebron21 5y ago
  No, it's not the definition of puppet state. Wikipedia: > A puppet state is a state that is de jure independent but de facto completely dependent upon an outside power and subject to its orders. Even though Kazakh president does become dependent on Russian forces to some degree, I don't see how 3000 soldiers can control a country with an army of 100,000, National guard of 32,000 and 86,000 policemen. It may give an upper hand, but against whom? There's even no organized opposition. If you make paragons Czechoslovakia uprisings in 1968, then USSR sent 500,000 soldiers and 5,000 tanks in a 10 times smaller country. So it was 3 orders of magnitude larger intervention than this. Using a military treaty in case of a popular unrest may be illegitimate, but it's nowhere near a puppet state.
  - janeroe 5y ago
    That's enough for subversive activity. Especially with their previous experience in Ukraine (I'm informed the people, if one can still call them that, from Donbas will help to "bring peace" in Kazakhstan).
    - culebron21 5y ago
      True, but Russian government saw current governments of Ukraine and Kazakhstan as allies, and the new Ukrainian one as an enemy. This is because of their belief in conspiracies behind mass protests.
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  I don't think its a definition of a puppet state, its more an act of desperation. I suspect that the president has realised that the police and army are not entirely on his side, so is wanting to have some "loyal" troops to send round and kill the protestors, in a way that the domestic troops are less likely to.
  - anonair 5y ago
    More likely that the foreign troops are needed to guard critical infrastructure while domestic loyal troops are busy with the terrorists

siva7 5y ago

It absolutely is bizarre, even if they are military allies. Can you imagine Canada asking for US military on their own grounds to fight civilian protests? Me neither. That’s a definition of puppet state.

culebron21 5y ago
No, it's not the definition of puppet state. Wikipedia: > A puppet state is a state that is de jure independent but de facto completely dependent upon an outside power and subject to its orders. Even though Kazakh president does become dependent on Russian forces to some degree, I don't see how 3000 soldiers can control a country with an army of 100,000, National guard of 32,000 and 86,000 policemen. It may give an upper hand, but against whom? There's even no organized opposition. If you make paragons Czechoslovakia uprisings in 1968, then USSR sent 500,000 soldiers and 5,000 tanks in a 10 times smaller country. So it was 3 orders of magnitude larger intervention than this. Using a military treaty in case of a popular unrest may be illegitimate, but it's nowhere near a puppet state.
- janeroe 5y ago
  That's enough for subversive activity. Especially with their previous experience in Ukraine (I'm informed the people, if one can still call them that, from Donbas will help to "bring peace" in Kazakhstan).
  - culebron21 5y ago
    True, but Russian government saw current governments of Ukraine and Kazakhstan as allies, and the new Ukrainian one as an enemy. This is because of their belief in conspiracies behind mass protests.
KaiserPro 5y ago
I don't think its a definition of a puppet state, its more an act of desperation. I suspect that the president has realised that the police and army are not entirely on his side, so is wanting to have some "loyal" troops to send round and kill the protestors, in a way that the domestic troops are less likely to.
- anonair 5y ago
  More likely that the foreign troops are needed to guard critical infrastructure while domestic loyal troops are busy with the terrorists