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Median incomes in the UK have doubled in that period, after accounting for inflation. Access to nutritious food has been revolutionised. The produce available i
by simonh 5y ago
Median incomes in the UK have doubled in that period, after accounting for inflation. Access to nutritious food has been revolutionised. The produce available in the shops is incomparably better. I didn't know what a mango, guava, persimon, plantain or dozens of other exotic produce looked like until the 90s but now they are commonplace and affordable. TV was a small, hot grainy screened little box. The way I kept in touch with the RPG gaming community was fanzines through the post. Almost nobody went on international holidays, now you can get Ryanair tickets for a few quid. Buying products remotely meant printed paper catalogues.
I was very lucky to have access to a computer running CP/M and MBasic on my dad's computer back home, but even as a computer science student in the late 80s I had no computer. All my programming was done on minicomputer terminals or lab PCs you had to book in advance, so I only had access for a few hours a week.
For women, oppressive gender bias and overt harassment and abuse was endemic in many spheres of life, I saw people get away with it. Being homosexual was still a career ender for many people. Open and accessible communications technology, and rising living standards has I think been crucial to connecting people and fighting these prejudices. I still remember the gleeful way US politicians and religious figures spoke about the impact AIDS was having, 'punishing' gay people. They thought it was funny. It fundamentally changed my attitudes to a lot of things, socially and politically. I'm still a fiscal conservative and believer in liberal capitalist economic freedoms; but I have no trust whatever of conservative social instincts anymore, that died 35 years ago.
If you took an average modern teenager and had them live in the 80s for a while they'd be horrified.
- arethuza 5y ago"so I only had access for a few hours a week" That must have been pretty rough - I was a CS student from 84 to 88 (Scotland so 4 years first degrees) and we had pretty much unlimited access to kit (HLH Unix minis, BBC micros, Atari STs) and we all got keys so we had 24 hour access. If there were any issues with access to stuff, being based in the Grassmarket in Edinburgh, we'd just go to one of the many excellent pubs in the vicinity.
- simonh 5y agoThere were labs with BBC Micros that were more accessible, but they only had Basic. If you're learning Pascal, C, Modula 2, etc that's just not good enough. There was a Unix machine but I didn't do any courses that required access to it.
- circlefavshape 5y ago> For women, oppressive gender bias and overt harassment and abuse was endemic in many spheres of life, I saw people get away with it. Being homosexual was still a career ender for many people. Ah yes indeed - there has been some genuine progress here > If you took an average modern teenager and had them live in the 80s for a while they'd be horrified ... but this would really be just an aversion to change, right? Does the average modern teenager have any more fun? Have more joy and less sorrow in their lives? I'm not convinced (unless they're gay)
- simonh 5y agoThe contention was that there have been no meaningful improvements in our lives from technology. I just don't think that's the case, we are much better off in real terms, and that many of the improvements we do have were at least in part facilitated by that technology and associated quality of life. That's all. People still have problems to deal with, for sure.