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Maybe there’s an important conversation to be had around this incident but this article is littered with biased reporting. > The stories framed the unrest as a

by awb 5y ago

Maybe there’s an important conversation to be had around this incident but this article is littered with biased reporting. > The stories framed the unrest as a “a new national reckoning about racial injustice” and described the protests as “mostly peaceful” or “largely peaceful,” despite widespread violence, looting, and crime. “More than 93% of recent demonstrations connected to Black Lives Matter were peaceful,” Reuters insisted, even as rioters caused up to $2 billion in property damage across the country. The author is clearly trying to paint BLM as responsible for the property damage, which has been widely debunked. It goes on and on reiterating the right-wing perspective of 2020 in an attempt to defend the data scientist. Again, there’s probably some important conversation to be had around politics in the workplace but it’s really challenging to have a constructive conversation or debate when you plant your flag on one end of the political spectrum and tell the story from that biased reference point.

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ehvatum 5y ago
“Widely debunked”. What? Label me as you like, but Kenosha happened. CHAZ happened. David Dorn’s shop was looted and David Dorn was murdered during a BLM protest.
- mint2 5y ago
  There were blm protests in nearly every city, a handful of cities had opportunistic looters. There are documented cases of white nationalists pretending to be blm and trying to cause trouble[1]. Some cops do bad things, do you think all cops are bad? Or is there a double standard? If anything cops should be held to a higher standard not a lesser because it’s their purpose to protect people. [1] just one example to show they do this https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-was...
  - nate_meurer 5y ago
    This is anecdata. You found one news story. Maybe you can find a handful of others. But do you have evidence that infiltration by white nationalists was a significant contributing factor to the widespread anarchy and destruction in places like Kenosha or Portland?
    - ashwagary 5y ago
      There is video evidence of agent provocateurs setting fire to stores, one was confronted and potentially exposed as a police officer. Tbh, we are extremely lucky to have any video evidence of the sabotuers, most arent stupid enough to commit crimes on video.
      - nate_meurer 5y ago
        Uh huh. So who were these agent provocateurs? Are there arrrest records, or any sort of reporting that confirms their identities? Or are you just going on rumors here?
        ashwagary 5y ago
        >Or are you just going on rumors here? It's literally video evidence as I stated above, are you choosing to have a hard time with this on purpose? "Minneapolis 'Umbrella Man' who sparked AutoZone fire is Hells Angels member" https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-umbrella-man-autozone-fire-hells-angels-police https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-umbrella-man-autozone... Don't be surprised that the largest gang in America (law enforcement) supports and is heavily controlled by white supremacists (KKK, Hells Angels, The Executioners, etc... ) , many police deparment whistle blowers and undercover investigators have pointed out this fact over the years.
        nate_meurer 5y ago
        No, the person in that video was never positively identified, and it's unclear whether there's even an open investigation. Back in Summer 2020, the police showed off a search warrant against one Mitchell Carlson, and media ran with it as proof of their whole right-wing-agitator narrative. But the police appear to have quietly dropped the matter, and nothing more came of it in the year and a half since. It's interesting that the cops released that affidavit soon after rumors started spreading that "umbrella man" was a cop. At least that problem got fixed :) So... is this really your "evidence"? I mean, sure, that could have been an outside agitator. But maybe not. You have no idea. But I suppose you can believe whatever you want. Look, I recognize that were probably some outside agitators mixed in with the BLM protesters. For example, look at the two guys that Kyle Rittenhouse killed: neither was local, and both were hardened criminals-- Joseph Rosenbaum was a convicted child rapist, and Anthony Huber was a serial domestic violence offender. Maybe these two characters had travelled to Kenosha to participate in a strictly peaceful demonstration. Maybe not. We have no direct evidence either way, so here again I suppose you can believe whatever you want. On the other hand, we have hundreds of videos of everyday trash humans looting, breaking windows, burning shit in the street. Take your pick. Here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6preTw28GWE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6preTw28GWE. How many right-wing agitators do see there? The riots in Minneapolis damaged or destroyed thousands of buildings, and some neighborhoods may never recover. Again, you're free to believe that this all the work of mysterious white supremacists or whatever, but you sure haven't given me any reason to believe one way or the other.
- awb 5y ago
  The idea that BLM was protesting during the day and then went home, put away their signs, changed clothes and came back out at night to riot and cause these $2B in damages has been debunked. The protests and riots happened at similar times but they were largely different groups with different agendas. In many cases the looting even happened while peaceful protests were happening elsewhere which diverted police resources.
  - blmzd 5y ago
    Oh, so every major city was not burned to the ground by people shouting "All Cops are Bad" and "Defund the Police", and wait for it.... "Black Lives Matter" ?
    - awb 5y ago
      Correct, not every major city was burned to the ground. And yeah people shouting things doesn’t mean they’re part of a BLM protest. Just like not every Jan. 6 rioter is part of [insert right wing group here]. Life is more complex than that and just like the Rodney King riots, things start out about one thing and devolve into another thing all the time. Sometimes it’s just about looting, no political agenda, just taking what you can when there’s an opportunity. Just watch video of kids looting Beverly Hills or people streaming into Target and walking out with large screen TVs. No signs, no slogans, no organization, just theft. Multiple things can happen at the same time and it doesn’t mean that BLM is out there coordinating violence or looting nation wide.
Nicksil 5y ago
>Again, there’s probably some important conversation to be had around politics in the workplace but it’s really challenging to have a constructive conversation or debate when you plant your flag on one end of the political spectrum and tell the story from that biased reference point. Your comment lacks supporting information and attempts to paint an entire political ideology with an overly broad, vague brush. Such comments do little to improve the quality of current discourse and are borderline polemic. >The author is clearly trying to paint BLM as responsible for the property damage, which has been widely debunked. This may be true, but you've provided no information to support your claim. What claims, specifically, have been debunked and by whom? >It goes on and on reiterating the right-wing perspective of 2020 in an attempt to defend the data scientist. "The right-wing perspective" is such a broad characterization and, as such, almost completely useless in this context. To which of the many perspectives of the right wing (conservative) political ideology do you refer? You mention how challenging it has become to have a constructive conversation or debate on these topics -- and I largely agree -- but, with genuine respect, your comments here aren't constructive and contribute more to the challenge than the solution.
- awb 5y ago
  It’s a long article and I don’t care to go point by point. If you think the author is presenting an unbiased argument, there’s probably little I can do to change your mind. But as someone who’s searching for the injustice in this employee’s termination, I didn’t like how they went down the “blue bubble” checklist of BLM, white privilege, etc. in an exasperated undertone like: “Could you believe what these liberals at Reuters believe?” and “Can you believe this poor guy was fired for daring to have a different opinion?” If you want me to have sympathy for this individual, tell me what he did and why it wasn’t a fireable offense per his employee contract/handbook. Instead the author is trying to poke at culture war points to win hearts while ignoring our minds. Or if the employee contract / handbook is the problem, then focus on that.
  - awb 5y ago
    FYI, here’s the author’s Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo > Christopher F. Rufo (born August 26, 1984)[1] is an American conservative activist. So yeah, I’d say he’s biased. The article reads like an activist wrote it: little to no substance and tons of half-developed thoughts trying to appeal to people’s outrage.

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ehvatum 5y ago

“Widely debunked”. What? Label me as you like, but Kenosha happened. CHAZ happened. David Dorn’s shop was looted and David Dorn was murdered during a BLM protest.

mint2 5y ago
There were blm protests in nearly every city, a handful of cities had opportunistic looters. There are documented cases of white nationalists pretending to be blm and trying to cause trouble[1]. Some cops do bad things, do you think all cops are bad? Or is there a double standard? If anything cops should be held to a higher standard not a lesser because it’s their purpose to protect people. [1] just one example to show they do this https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-was...
- nate_meurer 5y ago
  This is anecdata. You found one news story. Maybe you can find a handful of others. But do you have evidence that infiltration by white nationalists was a significant contributing factor to the widespread anarchy and destruction in places like Kenosha or Portland?
  - ashwagary 5y ago
    There is video evidence of agent provocateurs setting fire to stores, one was confronted and potentially exposed as a police officer. Tbh, we are extremely lucky to have any video evidence of the sabotuers, most arent stupid enough to commit crimes on video.
    - nate_meurer 5y ago
      Uh huh. So who were these agent provocateurs? Are there arrrest records, or any sort of reporting that confirms their identities? Or are you just going on rumors here?
      - ashwagary 5y ago
        >Or are you just going on rumors here? It's literally video evidence as I stated above, are you choosing to have a hard time with this on purpose? "Minneapolis 'Umbrella Man' who sparked AutoZone fire is Hells Angels member" https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-umbrella-man-autozone-fire-hells-angels-police https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-umbrella-man-autozone... Don't be surprised that the largest gang in America (law enforcement) supports and is heavily controlled by white supremacists (KKK, Hells Angels, The Executioners, etc... ) , many police deparment whistle blowers and undercover investigators have pointed out this fact over the years.
        nate_meurer 5y ago
        No, the person in that video was never positively identified, and it's unclear whether there's even an open investigation. Back in Summer 2020, the police showed off a search warrant against one Mitchell Carlson, and media ran with it as proof of their whole right-wing-agitator narrative. But the police appear to have quietly dropped the matter, and nothing more came of it in the year and a half since. It's interesting that the cops released that affidavit soon after rumors started spreading that "umbrella man" was a cop. At least that problem got fixed :) So... is this really your "evidence"? I mean, sure, that could have been an outside agitator. But maybe not. You have no idea. But I suppose you can believe whatever you want. Look, I recognize that were probably some outside agitators mixed in with the BLM protesters. For example, look at the two guys that Kyle Rittenhouse killed: neither was local, and both were hardened criminals-- Joseph Rosenbaum was a convicted child rapist, and Anthony Huber was a serial domestic violence offender. Maybe these two characters had travelled to Kenosha to participate in a strictly peaceful demonstration. Maybe not. We have no direct evidence either way, so here again I suppose you can believe whatever you want. On the other hand, we have hundreds of videos of everyday trash humans looting, breaking windows, burning shit in the street. Take your pick. Here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6preTw28GWE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6preTw28GWE. How many right-wing agitators do see there? The riots in Minneapolis damaged or destroyed thousands of buildings, and some neighborhoods may never recover. Again, you're free to believe that this all the work of mysterious white supremacists or whatever, but you sure haven't given me any reason to believe one way or the other.
awb 5y ago
The idea that BLM was protesting during the day and then went home, put away their signs, changed clothes and came back out at night to riot and cause these $2B in damages has been debunked. The protests and riots happened at similar times but they were largely different groups with different agendas. In many cases the looting even happened while peaceful protests were happening elsewhere which diverted police resources.
- blmzd 5y ago
  Oh, so every major city was not burned to the ground by people shouting "All Cops are Bad" and "Defund the Police", and wait for it.... "Black Lives Matter" ?
  - awb 5y ago
    Correct, not every major city was burned to the ground. And yeah people shouting things doesn’t mean they’re part of a BLM protest. Just like not every Jan. 6 rioter is part of [insert right wing group here]. Life is more complex than that and just like the Rodney King riots, things start out about one thing and devolve into another thing all the time. Sometimes it’s just about looting, no political agenda, just taking what you can when there’s an opportunity. Just watch video of kids looting Beverly Hills or people streaming into Target and walking out with large screen TVs. No signs, no slogans, no organization, just theft. Multiple things can happen at the same time and it doesn’t mean that BLM is out there coordinating violence or looting nation wide.

Nicksil 5y ago

>Again, there’s probably some important conversation to be had around politics in the workplace but it’s really challenging to have a constructive conversation or debate when you plant your flag on one end of the political spectrum and tell the story from that biased reference point. Your comment lacks supporting information and attempts to paint an entire political ideology with an overly broad, vague brush. Such comments do little to improve the quality of current discourse and are borderline polemic. >The author is clearly trying to paint BLM as responsible for the property damage, which has been widely debunked. This may be true, but you've provided no information to support your claim. What claims, specifically, have been debunked and by whom? >It goes on and on reiterating the right-wing perspective of 2020 in an attempt to defend the data scientist. "The right-wing perspective" is such a broad characterization and, as such, almost completely useless in this context. To which of the many perspectives of the right wing (conservative) political ideology do you refer? You mention how challenging it has become to have a constructive conversation or debate on these topics -- and I largely agree -- but, with genuine respect, your comments here aren't constructive and contribute more to the challenge than the solution.

awb 5y ago
It’s a long article and I don’t care to go point by point. If you think the author is presenting an unbiased argument, there’s probably little I can do to change your mind. But as someone who’s searching for the injustice in this employee’s termination, I didn’t like how they went down the “blue bubble” checklist of BLM, white privilege, etc. in an exasperated undertone like: “Could you believe what these liberals at Reuters believe?” and “Can you believe this poor guy was fired for daring to have a different opinion?” If you want me to have sympathy for this individual, tell me what he did and why it wasn’t a fireable offense per his employee contract/handbook. Instead the author is trying to poke at culture war points to win hearts while ignoring our minds. Or if the employee contract / handbook is the problem, then focus on that.
- awb 5y ago
  FYI, here’s the author’s Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo > Christopher F. Rufo (born August 26, 1984)[1] is an American conservative activist. So yeah, I’d say he’s biased. The article reads like an activist wrote it: little to no substance and tons of half-developed thoughts trying to appeal to people’s outrage.