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United States does rank below the UK in terms of social mobility. The notion that that is because the economic development of the country is "finished" seems we

• lettergram 5y ago
  The world economic forum is largely lead by former nazis and communists. They have openly called for the United States to decline as a power. I wouldn’t necessarily take anything they say as fact. Lol
  • ianai 5y ago
    Citation very much needed.
    • lettergram 5y ago
      You can read the “Great Reset” book to get a wider view of their vision. They’ve been talking about this for a long time https://www.salon.com/2010/12/06/america_collapse_2025/ https://www.salon.com/2010/12/06/america_collapse_2025/
      • beaconstudios 5y ago
        And predicting the fall of the US... Makes them both nazis and communists? I'm confused by your argument.
        • rbanffy 5y ago
          It's really hard to be both far-right and far-left at the same time.
          • TMWNN 5y ago
            The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact says otherwise. German and Soviet troops that met in Poland after invading from the west and east had no trouble in celebrating their victory together, holding parades and such. As John Gunther—who was in Moscow when the world learned of the pact's existence in August 1939—wrote, "communism and Fascism were more closely allied than was normally understood".
          • MadeThisToReply 5y ago
            What about horseshoe theory?
            • rbanffy 5y ago
              Nazism is far-right and authoritarian. Socialism is just far-left, but not necessarily authoritarian. Soviet-style socialism was very authoritarian and that's why it got its bad reputation. And you can be authoritarian and not even be on the left-right axis - Saudi Arabia is an example, as is Afghanistan now.
              • beaconstudios 5y ago
                Both of those countries are theocratic and extremely socially conservative, which places them on the far right.
                • rbanffy 5y ago
                  Maybe, but they don't have really free markets either. In this regard, North Korea is more of an absolutist monarchy than any previously known form of socialism.
        • lettergram 5y ago
          Read the book, look into the forums content, funding sources, history, etc I was pointing out the anti-United states propaganda has been going on for years.
          • beaconstudios 5y ago
            I'm not going to do all that to verify your comment. It strikes me as an absurd claim, at least in part because nazis and communists are opposites, and everybody is predicting the fall of the US' dominance to China these days. The WEF is just liberal capitalism. The trend towards technofeudalism (everyone is renting their existence from big corps) has been going on for a while, at the hands of capitalists. Because its profitable. See: the growth of financing/credit, software subscriptions, etc.
            • hunterb123 5y ago
              I don't see how you can read things like the Great Reset and think the things you do.
              • beaconstudios 5y ago
                I'm open to convincing arguments. What do you think the Great Reset is? To me it seems like late capitalists doing a capitalism as they always do, trying to eke out more profit by way of financier feudalism.
            • RajT88 5y ago
              If I am not mistaken "The Great Reset" is written by Glenn Beck. I may be wrong, as there are several books with that name, but the Beck book is the one most likely to involve railing against Nazis and Communists. You can get a sense for Beck's work here: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/?s=Glenn+beck https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/?s=Glenn+beck
              • blackshaw 5y ago
                "The Great Reset" is the name of a book by Klaus Schwab, who is chairman of the WEF. It was also the name that the WEF gave to their 50th annual meeting, which took place in 2020. Conspiracy theories aside, I've read Schwab's book, and it's a moronic, badly-written pile of buzzwords and corporate jargon that says nothing of interest and reads like the work of a hungover undergraduate who's padding the wordcount the night before the deadline while hoping the professor won't realise he hasn't done the reading. I'd tell you to ignore it, except Schwab is a man of enormous power and influence, so his apparent inability to produce an intelligent thought is really quite troubling.
      • ajmurmann 5y ago
        Trading that article, I wonder if you are conflating prediction and desire for something to happen.
        • easytiger 5y ago
          Use of the idea that now is an opportunity to be seized I think dictates that it's a desire
          • ajmurmann 5y ago
            So, if I predict something catastrophical will happen and I make efforts to prepare for it, I'm part of the problem?
            • im3w1l 5y ago
              This is a great question and my answer is possibly. If you prepare so much that you stand to gain from it coming about, then it does create perverse incentives. And it could make you part of the problem.
            • easytiger 5y ago
              The institutions are stating that exploitation of the status quo to implement X is an opportunity. One that usually comes at the cost of individuals
    • sebow 5y ago
      Go browse their website.It's very much transparent, which is both scary and somewhat surreal.
• jollybean 5y ago
  "United States does rank below the UK in terms of social mobility." It always did, because the US had slaves, and ex-slaves who had no much opportunity to 'climb'. The US now also has a giant class of a specific kind of migrant - Latinos from Central America, who are completely different than those from Spain or Cuba and the rest of the world. They exist in a kind of 'separate' USA and while technically might have the opportunities others have, they live in a system that is not suited to exploiting them. They are happy in their version of he US, they're family oriented, patriots - but not going to college or after the white collar trades like migrants from 'everywhere else'. Those two cohorts make the US 'very different' in terms of social mobility, and so you have a situation a bit akin to Brazil etc.. Canada and Australia are 'Immigrant States' without those cohorts, and newcomers do reasonably well or somewhere approaching 'normal' after one or two generations. I'll bet social mobility among non-African American and Latino Americans, is about on part with Canada or Australia, and maybe even a little bit better than UK, and most of Europe (even Sweden) which also have vestiges of class. Some indicative data here [1]. You can see mobility gap between Black and White in the US, it's very crude and subject to interpretation, but it does line up with PISA standardized testing results which show the same, that non-Black/Latino America is actually 'a lot like' Europe or Japan in terms of so many outcomes. 2018 PISA test scores here [2] (download the PDF). FYI I'm not 'endorsing' or 'supporting' any kind of system here, just pointing out that the the US has a 'multi system dynamic' different than other places and it's essential to understanding how it works esp. on a comparative basis. FYI a lot of E/S European countries are poor, and represent similar kind of 'isolated communities' which is why gini coefficient etc. for the entirety of the EU is much worse than it is for any individual EU state. From 1922 until today - most of our progress has been incremental. Other than satellites, and maybe computers, it seems as though they ave predicted a lot. Maybe not quite the social impact of them however. What will change in 2122? If we have successful Fusion at scale, it could change a lot of things. If not, maybe it won't be that different: longer lives, more fashion. Maybe we figure out Climate Change and get plastics out of he ocean, but we'll probably still be arguing about 'what is normal' Eventually, we'll be able to colour our skin, eyes, hair very readily, we'll have cosmetic limbs (i.e. pair of wings that don't to much but flap a bit). And maybe mechanical uterus - where you provide the eggs and sperm and it will make a baby in 9 months. If the identity wars are a bit complicated now just wait. We will send a probe to Alpha Centuari and they'll be a small station on Mars, but it will be boring and young people won't even care. Reduced population in the West and massive population booms in Africa and some other spots will crate some odd international dynamics. Africa will be much better off, but mostly still corrupt with crackpot leaders and nuclear weapons. One of them will use one on their neighbouring country. [1] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2019/02/14/no-room-at-the-top-the-stark-divide-in-black-and-white-economic-mobility/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2019/02/14/no-room-a... [2] https://www.oecd.org/pisa/publications/pisa-2018-results.htm https://www.oecd.org/pisa/publications/pisa-2018-results.htm