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Interesting tool. Consider me in… Fed-up of often being moderated-out of nytimes.com because of my conservative predisposition.

CharlesW 5y ago
To quote the post from ksarw, "What differentiates us is that we’re building content moderation from the very start".
- rpdillon 5y ago
  Agreed. I was curious what their policies are, and they were very easy to find[0]: > To this end, omments [sic] that contain one or more of the following themes will be put behind a warning: Gore,Extreme Violence,Sexual Themes,Misinformation,Extreme Obscenity > Comments that contain one or more of the following are not allowed and will be removed: > Spam/Scam,Nudity,Bot comment, Abuse/Harassment, Illegal Content My takeaway: - Bots are essentially banned - Any comment Netvyne's team considers extremely violent, gory, or containing misinformation will be put behind a warning, but not removed - Any comment Netvyne's team considers to be abuse or harassment will be removed - Any comment containing nudity will be removed Nudity is notoriously difficult to moderate[1], and I suspect drawing the line on misinformation will be similarly challenging. I like the idea overall, though it would be neat to see a federated approach where different standards can be enforced on different instances. I'm not yet convinced one-size-fits-all discussion rules work well at scale. [0]: https://www.netvyne.com/content-policy https://www.netvyne.com/content-policy [1]: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211124/15241648004/content-moderation-case-studies-facebook-suspends-account-showing-topless-aboriginal-women-2016.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211124/15241648004/conte...
  - ksarw 5y ago
    It seems you have a pretty solid grasp of our policy; its all in order to meet our goal of enabling civil discussion. Indeed, misinformation is tough and is in my opinion the trickiest one. I actually didn't think nudity would be as difficult to moderate, but still somewhere up there. Thanks for sharing an example, a similar example did come to mind and we'll definitely have to iterate on our policy as time goes on. Tolerance does vary across people, and I agree one-size-fits-all doesn't exist. That being said, sometimes is a sacrifice one is willing to make in order to participate as part of a broader audience. With regards to federation, I am a bit familiar with Mastodon, which is what came to mind first. I see the main concept, but it does come at a cost; some things are better (or at least more user-friendly) when they are integrated. But I supposed as time goes on people could be willing to put in more work to customize their experiences. Also, thanks for catching the typo, its fixed now!
marvelmarvel 5y ago
Can you provide any evidence for your claim?

CharlesW 5y ago

To quote the post from ksarw, "What differentiates us is that we’re building content moderation from the very start".

rpdillon 5y ago
Agreed. I was curious what their policies are, and they were very easy to find[0]: > To this end, omments [sic] that contain one or more of the following themes will be put behind a warning: Gore,Extreme Violence,Sexual Themes,Misinformation,Extreme Obscenity > Comments that contain one or more of the following are not allowed and will be removed: > Spam/Scam,Nudity,Bot comment, Abuse/Harassment, Illegal Content My takeaway: - Bots are essentially banned - Any comment Netvyne's team considers extremely violent, gory, or containing misinformation will be put behind a warning, but not removed - Any comment Netvyne's team considers to be abuse or harassment will be removed - Any comment containing nudity will be removed Nudity is notoriously difficult to moderate[1], and I suspect drawing the line on misinformation will be similarly challenging. I like the idea overall, though it would be neat to see a federated approach where different standards can be enforced on different instances. I'm not yet convinced one-size-fits-all discussion rules work well at scale. [0]: https://www.netvyne.com/content-policy https://www.netvyne.com/content-policy [1]: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211124/15241648004/content-moderation-case-studies-facebook-suspends-account-showing-topless-aboriginal-women-2016.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211124/15241648004/conte...
- ksarw 5y ago
  It seems you have a pretty solid grasp of our policy; its all in order to meet our goal of enabling civil discussion. Indeed, misinformation is tough and is in my opinion the trickiest one. I actually didn't think nudity would be as difficult to moderate, but still somewhere up there. Thanks for sharing an example, a similar example did come to mind and we'll definitely have to iterate on our policy as time goes on. Tolerance does vary across people, and I agree one-size-fits-all doesn't exist. That being said, sometimes is a sacrifice one is willing to make in order to participate as part of a broader audience. With regards to federation, I am a bit familiar with Mastodon, which is what came to mind first. I see the main concept, but it does come at a cost; some things are better (or at least more user-friendly) when they are integrated. But I supposed as time goes on people could be willing to put in more work to customize their experiences. Also, thanks for catching the typo, its fixed now!

marvelmarvel 5y ago

Can you provide any evidence for your claim?