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> Do you assume Putin and western corporations are antagonistic? Please don't try to change the subject. Putin sent Russia's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to use

by fivea 5y ago

> Do you assume Putin and western corporations are antagonistic? Please don't try to change the subject. Putin sent Russia's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to use them against Kazakhstan's civilian population to quelsh unrest. It's not the US, Switzerland, Finland, the EU, nothing. This is Russia intervening in Kazakhstan to preserve Russia's interests, and no amount of whataboutism changes this.

scotty79 5y ago
Russia's interests are aligned with western companies interests that buy Russian exports. Also I'm not changing the subject because we have a whole branching forum here, not a single coversation that can talk only about one thing at a time. If you are not interested in that branch of the discussion simply skip it.
- ericmay 5y ago
  > Russia's interests are aligned with western companies interests that buy Russian exports. Just to be clear you are blaming “the west” (US, UK, Sweden, France, Canada, Switzerland, etc.) for Russian intervention in Kazakhstan because those countries buy Russian products? (Leaving aside all the other countries in the world which do the same but w/e).
  - mikem170 5y ago
    Not the OP, I think you misunderstand. The idea is that the West is fine with Russia dispatching troops to Kazakhstan. They share a common interest in wanting to keep the oil flowing, and are not so much interested in how Kazakhstan is governed. Contrast Kazakhstan with Ukraine. The U.S. would not sit silently by if Russia were to send troops into the Ukraine again.
  - scotty79 5y ago
    Just to be clear I'm saying that western companies will benefit from maintaining regime in Kazakhstan. And Putin helping with this, is getting him further on the good side of wealthy people in the west. I'm not blaming anybody for anything. It's just business.
inglor_cz 5y ago
Not the OP, but way too many German politicians seem to be cooperative with Gazprom et al., regardless of what happens elsewhere (Ukraine etc.)
- reducesuffering 5y ago
  Like Germany's ex chancellor being chairman of the board for Nord Stream AG and Russian energy company Rosneft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der
anticodon 5y ago
> It's not the US, Switzerland, Finland, the EU, nothing. What these countries has to do in Kazakhstan? Russia and Kazakhstan has a treaty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Org... Also, significant percent of population of Kazakhstan is Russian.
- kspacewalk2 5y ago
  >Also, significant percent of population of Kazakhstan is Russian. So what? They are citizens of Kazakhstan. Russia does not have some sort of "claim" over every person in the world who is of Russian descent.

by fivea 5y ago

scotty79 5y ago

Russia's interests are aligned with western companies interests that buy Russian exports. Also I'm not changing the subject because we have a whole branching forum here, not a single coversation that can talk only about one thing at a time. If you are not interested in that branch of the discussion simply skip it.

ericmay 5y ago
> Russia's interests are aligned with western companies interests that buy Russian exports. Just to be clear you are blaming “the west” (US, UK, Sweden, France, Canada, Switzerland, etc.) for Russian intervention in Kazakhstan because those countries buy Russian products? (Leaving aside all the other countries in the world which do the same but w/e).
- mikem170 5y ago
  Not the OP, I think you misunderstand. The idea is that the West is fine with Russia dispatching troops to Kazakhstan. They share a common interest in wanting to keep the oil flowing, and are not so much interested in how Kazakhstan is governed. Contrast Kazakhstan with Ukraine. The U.S. would not sit silently by if Russia were to send troops into the Ukraine again.
- scotty79 5y ago
  Just to be clear I'm saying that western companies will benefit from maintaining regime in Kazakhstan. And Putin helping with this, is getting him further on the good side of wealthy people in the west. I'm not blaming anybody for anything. It's just business.

inglor_cz 5y ago

Not the OP, but way too many German politicians seem to be cooperative with Gazprom et al., regardless of what happens elsewhere (Ukraine etc.)

reducesuffering 5y ago
Like Germany's ex chancellor being chairman of the board for Nord Stream AG and Russian energy company Rosneft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der

anticodon 5y ago

> It's not the US, Switzerland, Finland, the EU, nothing. What these countries has to do in Kazakhstan? Russia and Kazakhstan has a treaty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Org... Also, significant percent of population of Kazakhstan is Russian.

kspacewalk2 5y ago
>Also, significant percent of population of Kazakhstan is Russian. So what? They are citizens of Kazakhstan. Russia does not have some sort of "claim" over every person in the world who is of Russian descent.