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Well, given the US-Russia conflict over Ukraine, this conflict is awfully well-timed for the US.

ralmidani 5y ago
Not everything in life is a conspiracy, and people often rebel spontaneously against their government. Not every revolution in a country ruled by Putin and Pals is waiting for The White House to give the green light. Also, did the US tell the regime in Kazakhstan to raise oil prices? That was, obviously, not the people’s only grievance, but it was the spark that lead to the protests and rebellion. The “US meddling” excuse is a tired cliche, and insulting to the people who put their lives on the line to fight oppressive, corrupt regimes.
- wheelerof4te 5y ago
  Pray tell, what exactly happened on 6th of January outside the Capitol? Why some people are allowed to fight corruption, but others aren't? Isn't the US lobiying another word for corruption?
  - ginko 5y ago
    That was another spontaneous rebellion. If anything it proves grandparent's point.
    - pjc50 5y ago
      It was organized in advance on social media. Some people even had t-shirts printed. It may have been "headless", in that it's difficult to identify organizers, but it wasn't entirely spontaneous. It remains an open question as to whether any of the posters on social media talking up the idea to protest at the capitol, or the mysterious person with the hoodie and bag of pipe bombs, were sponsored by overseas enemies of the US. There is as yet no hard evidence for this. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jan-mystery-pipe-bombs-night-capitol-attack/story?id=81723935 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jan-mystery-pipe-bombs-night...
  - ralmidani 5y ago
    You have it backward. The January 6th Riot was not motivated by a desire to oust a dictator. At the time, Donald Trump was President, and he wanted to remain President despite losing the election. As for corruption in the US, I acknowledge it, but it’s laughable to compare it to what happens in countries run by Putin and Pals. In Russia, Kazakhstan, Syria, etc. the people’s only choice is rebellion. In the US, we (still) have the ballot box.
    - wheelerof4te 5y ago
- throwaway4good 5y ago
  I have not seen any evidence that they are directly behind it, but I am pretty sure that the various US services jump on oppurtunities as they see them. In particular in the former Soviet union.
- vintermann 5y ago
  > Also, did the US tell the regime in Kazakhstan to raise oil prices? I don't know if they did, but it wouldn't exactly be out of character for the US to encourage a country to do market liberalization reforms.
mlindner 5y ago
There isn't a US-Russia conflict over Ukraine. US had no part of Ukraine's uprising. Late in the Trump presidency long after issues had settled, the US started getting involved with selling supplies.
- jevgeni 5y ago
  Absolutely agree. People are downvoting you, because they have problems contemplating that people from poor(er) countries have the ability to think for themselves.
- q1w2 5y ago
  This is very much untrue. The US began getting involved Ukraine the moment Russia began sowing discontent and violence in Ukraine - as early as 2012. https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/us-ukraine-security-assistance-military-training/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/us-ukraine-security-... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-to-send-ukrainian-military-more-supplies/2014/04/17/14064d80-c649-11e3-9f37-7ce307c56815_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-to... https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-aid-has-helped-ukraine-since-2014 https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-ai... ...and I won't get into the donations from Ukraine to the Clinton Foundation at the same time.
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  - mlindner 5y ago
    All but one of those articles is from well after 2012 (2019 and 2021). And the earliest one you linked is from 2014, from after the point even when Crimea was annexed. So your sources don't jive with your statement.
jevgeni 5y ago
Yes, it's that damn CIA who forced Nazarbayev to appoint his son as the head of the national gas company and then forced said son to raise the gas prices. Damn you, CIA! (shakes fist at sky)

Not everything in life is a conspiracy, and people often rebel spontaneously against their government. Not every revolution in a country ruled by Putin and Pals is waiting for The White House to give the green light. Also, did the US tell the regime in Kazakhstan to raise oil prices? That was, obviously, not the people’s only grievance, but it was the spark that lead to the protests and rebellion. The “US meddling” excuse is a tired cliche, and insulting to the people who put their lives on the line to fight oppressive, corrupt regimes.

wheelerof4te 5y ago
Pray tell, what exactly happened on 6th of January outside the Capitol? Why some people are allowed to fight corruption, but others aren't? Isn't the US lobiying another word for corruption?
- ginko 5y ago
  That was another spontaneous rebellion. If anything it proves grandparent's point.
  - pjc50 5y ago
    It was organized in advance on social media. Some people even had t-shirts printed. It may have been "headless", in that it's difficult to identify organizers, but it wasn't entirely spontaneous. It remains an open question as to whether any of the posters on social media talking up the idea to protest at the capitol, or the mysterious person with the hoodie and bag of pipe bombs, were sponsored by overseas enemies of the US. There is as yet no hard evidence for this. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jan-mystery-pipe-bombs-night-capitol-attack/story?id=81723935 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jan-mystery-pipe-bombs-night...
- ralmidani 5y ago
  You have it backward. The January 6th Riot was not motivated by a desire to oust a dictator. At the time, Donald Trump was President, and he wanted to remain President despite losing the election. As for corruption in the US, I acknowledge it, but it’s laughable to compare it to what happens in countries run by Putin and Pals. In Russia, Kazakhstan, Syria, etc. the people’s only choice is rebellion. In the US, we (still) have the ballot box.
  - wheelerof4te 5y ago
throwaway4good 5y ago
I have not seen any evidence that they are directly behind it, but I am pretty sure that the various US services jump on oppurtunities as they see them. In particular in the former Soviet union.
vintermann 5y ago
> Also, did the US tell the regime in Kazakhstan to raise oil prices? I don't know if they did, but it wouldn't exactly be out of character for the US to encourage a country to do market liberalization reforms.

mlindner 5y ago

There isn't a US-Russia conflict over Ukraine. US had no part of Ukraine's uprising. Late in the Trump presidency long after issues had settled, the US started getting involved with selling supplies.

jevgeni 5y ago
Absolutely agree. People are downvoting you, because they have problems contemplating that people from poor(er) countries have the ability to think for themselves.
q1w2 5y ago
This is very much untrue. The US began getting involved Ukraine the moment Russia began sowing discontent and violence in Ukraine - as early as 2012. https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/us-ukraine-security-assistance-military-training/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/us-ukraine-security-... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-to-send-ukrainian-military-more-supplies/2014/04/17/14064d80-c649-11e3-9f37-7ce307c56815_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-to... https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-aid-has-helped-ukraine-since-2014 https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-ai... ...and I won't get into the donations from Ukraine to the Clinton Foundation at the same time.
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- mlindner 5y ago
  All but one of those articles is from well after 2012 (2019 and 2021). And the earliest one you linked is from 2014, from after the point even when Crimea was annexed. So your sources don't jive with your statement.

jevgeni 5y ago

Yes, it's that damn CIA who forced Nazarbayev to appoint his son as the head of the national gas company and then forced said son to raise the gas prices. Damn you, CIA! (shakes fist at sky)