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Slinging double SHA256 til the heat death of the universe is my long term vision. POW as a bootstrap phase is ethereum pos wishful nonsense. Many see the long t

Slinging double SHA256 til the heat death of the universe is my long term vision. POW as a bootstrap phase is ethereum pos wishful nonsense. Many see the long term future of PoW. Many believe it is the only way.

ethbr0 5y ago
In your view, what's the long term solution between environmental efficiency vs attack resistance? The two seem mutually-exclusive in PoW.
- randomhodler84 5y ago
  Solar, geothermal, wind and nuclear power? Using energy doesn’t destroy the environment. Producing energy uncleanly does. Shouting at children using PlayStations or miners producing hashes doesn’t make the environment any better. Shouting at the coal lobby might.
  - ethbr0 5y ago
    Color me skeptical. The cost-security tradeoff of PoW fundamentally relies on using more energy until it becomes expensive (relative to crypto revenue). If energy is cheap ("), someone will consume additional capacity. Solar, geothermal, wind, nuclear et al. are cleaner (from an energy production standpoint, and mostly from a generator production standpoint), but still have fundamental capacity limits. "We're going to burn {currentWorldPower}+1, forever" isn't a viable end state.
    - randomhodler84 5y ago
      We will use more and more energy every year as our species evolves. It is the trajectory of every civilization to generate and harness more energy. Cryptocurrency will use more and more energy, and we will seek out new ways to generate it. It is the drumbeat of human progress. Building oligarchical proof of stake ponzi games is not progress. That is when we have given up and just want to stagnate.
      - ethbr0 5y ago
        The fact that we will scale energy usage does not make the scaling factor irrelevant. Increasing at 1.5x vs 2x has very different implications for the planet, economy, and international politics.

5 ms·

Slinging double SHA256 til the heat death of the universe is my long term vision. POW as a bootstrap phase is ethereum pos wishful nonsense. Many see the long t

by randomhodler84 5y ago

ethbr0 5y ago
In your view, what's the long term solution between environmental efficiency vs attack resistance? The two seem mutually-exclusive in PoW.
- randomhodler84 5y ago
  Solar, geothermal, wind and nuclear power? Using energy doesn’t destroy the environment. Producing energy uncleanly does. Shouting at children using PlayStations or miners producing hashes doesn’t make the environment any better. Shouting at the coal lobby might.
  - ethbr0 5y ago
    Color me skeptical. The cost-security tradeoff of PoW fundamentally relies on using more energy until it becomes expensive (relative to crypto revenue). If energy is cheap ("), someone will consume additional capacity. Solar, geothermal, wind, nuclear et al. are cleaner (from an energy production standpoint, and mostly from a generator production standpoint), but still have fundamental capacity limits. "We're going to burn {currentWorldPower}+1, forever" isn't a viable end state.
    - randomhodler84 5y ago
      We will use more and more energy every year as our species evolves. It is the trajectory of every civilization to generate and harness more energy. Cryptocurrency will use more and more energy, and we will seek out new ways to generate it. It is the drumbeat of human progress. Building oligarchical proof of stake ponzi games is not progress. That is when we have given up and just want to stagnate.
      - ethbr0 5y ago
        The fact that we will scale energy usage does not make the scaling factor irrelevant. Increasing at 1.5x vs 2x has very different implications for the planet, economy, and international politics.